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ENGLEWOOD CITY COUNCIL
ENGLEWOOD, ARAPAHOE COUNTY, COLORADO
Regular Seaalon
November 17, 2008
1. Call to Ordu
The regular meeting of the Englewood City Counc il was called to order by Mayor Woodward at 7:35 p.m.
2. Invocation
The invocation was given by Council Member Mccaslin .
3. Pledge of Allegiance
The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Council Member Mccaslin .
4. Roll Call
Present:
Absent:
Council Members Jefferson , Moore , Penn , Oakley , Mccaslin , Wilson .
Woodward
None
A quorum was present.
Also presen t: City Manager Sears
City Attorney Brotzman
Deputy City Manager Flaherty
City Clerk Ellis
Deputy City Clerk Bush
Director Gryglewicz, Finance and Administrative Services
Director Fonda , Ulilitie$
Director White , Community Development
Senior Planner Langon , Commun ity Development
Deputy Ch ief Collins , Police
5. Conalder .. tlon of Minutes of Previous Senion
(a) COUNCIL MEMBE~ McCASLi,l MOVED, AND COUNCIL MEMBER PENN SECONDED, TO
APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF NOVEMBER 3, 2008.
Mayor Woodward asked if there are any corrections or modifications . There were none .
Vote results:
Motion carried .
Ayes : Council Members Penn , Mccaslin, Moore , Woodward , Jefferson ,
Wilson , Oakley
Nays : None
6. Recognition of Scheduled Public Comment
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Calenda r.
City Council recogn ized the student artists whose artwork is included in the 2009 Englewood
Mayor Woodard said ton ight we have the honor ol recogn izing the students whose artwork : featured in the
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2009 Englewood Ca lendar. Each year , the City holds an art contest that is open to all students who liv e or go to
school in Englewood . We chose 14 pieces from th is year's student art contest to showcase in the 2009
calendar. I had the pleasure of serving on the Select ion Panel , along with my fellow City Council Member Jill
Wilson , who is a Cultural Arts Commission lia ison , and Cultural Arts Commiss ion Members Jenn ife r Enger, Kate
Dulaney , Donna Schnitzer, Magg ie Stewart , and Tim Vacca , Project Manager for the Museum of Outdoor Arts .
We would like to offer a special thanks to the art teachers , school administration and the parents for their
support of these talented artists . All of these young people have now become published art ists . I would a!so
like to acknowledge some people from the Englewood School District here tonight: our superintendent of
schools , Sean McDan iel ; President of Englewood School District , Heather Hunt ; Board Member Vicki e Howard ;
and Board Member Karen Miller. With that , I would like to turn it over to Leigh Ann Hoffnines. Le igh Ann is our
Public Information Officer and she has done all of the work on the calendar and made it another very successful
calendar . I had the opportun ity to see It a little earlier , at Study Session .
Communicat ions Coord inator Hoffnines sa id thank you Mayor . t would also like to thank the generous sponsors
of the 2009 Ca:e~dar: L & M Pressworks , they gave us a big discount on the printing; Jerry's Artarama . A & B
Custom Framing, Frame de Art, Englewood Arts , the Museum of Outdoor Arts , the Englewood Lions Club , the
Englewood Cultural Arts Commission , Millennium Bank and Cornerstone Books . We are returning the artists '
artwork this evening , matted and framed . The artists will also receive a $25 .00 gift card from Jerry's Artarama,
which is Englewood 's art supply store , located at 3473 S. Broadway and tickets for 4 to an upcoming Englewood
Arts concert , here at Hampden Hall , here at tha Englewood Civic Center. After the recognition this evening , we
would like to take a photo of all the art ists , with their artwork , out in the atrium area . I'll remind you again when
we are fin ished . Mayor Woodward and Council Member Jill Wilson , if you would come forward , I'll announce
each artist. I would like you to come to the front as your name is called .
Communications Coordinator Hoffn ines said the 2009 Calendar artists are :
Erin Petersen , a 3" Grader at Charles Hay Elementary School . Erin's artwork appears on the cover of the
calendar .
Next is Darwin Porix-Mayen . a 1• Grader at Bishop Elementary School. Darwin 's artwork , "In the Doghouse ," is
featured in January .
Our next artist is Sofia Montoya , a 3" Grader at Charles Hay Elementarr Sofia 's artwork, "Girl Turtle ," appears
In February .
We have two art ists in Marci,. The first is Sara Hyde , a 5th Grader at Maddox Elementary . Her artwork is
entitled "Can I Come to Your City ?" The second March artist is Kirstyn LeCavalier , also a 5th Grader at Maddox
Elementary . Her artwork is entitled "City Block ".
Next :s Zackary Bueno , a 4th Grader at Clayton Elemer · .. y School. Zack 's artwork is featured In April .
Our ne xt artist is Haley Ebert , a 3" Grader at Clayton Elementar; I laley 's artwork aprears in May .
Next is Nico leigh Tramp ler , a 4th Grader at All Souls School . Her •• rwor k, "Pollinator ," apfYJars in June .
Our Jul y art ist is Victor Rosales-Garcia , a 2"' Grader at Clayton El ementary School. Victor's paint ing is ent itl ed
"Fish Friends ".
Next we have Tess Bray , a 5th Grader at St. Anne's Episcopal School . Tess 's "Dog Dreaming " appears during
the dog days of summer in August.
Our next artist is Miguel Donohoo . Miguel is a 4th Grader at Che rrelyn Elementary School. His artwork ,
"Giraffe ," is featured in September .
Our October artist is Patrick Constantino , a recent graduate from Colorado 's Finest Alternative High School .
Patrick's artwork is · stilled "Into the Pass ing Colours . First Born ".
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Ben Prado is our next art ist. His "St ill Life " appears in November. Ben is a 6th Grader al All Souls School .
And our final art ist is Na tasha Prather . a 9'" Grader al Denver 's East High School. Natasha 's "Moonlit Miracle "
appears in December.
There was a round of applause after each name was read and after the receipt of the ir artwork and gifts .
Ms . Hotth ines said we have loved having your artwork on dis play in the Civic Center for the last few weeks , and
now , with the calendars . we 're lucky enough lo be able lo look al ii all year during 2009 . There are plenty of
calendars available on the table in the back of the room . Thanks to all of you for coming this evening to help us
recognize these talented artists . Let's give them another round of applause . And don 't forget, I •van! pictures of
everybody out back .
Several Counc il members offered their congraluialions .
7. Recogniti on of Unschedu led Public Comment
(a) Doug Cohn , an Englewood res ident , sa id good even ing . I have three short th ings lo talk about
tonight. The first one , is along the same kind of line as the arts thing we had tonight. Last week there was the
most amaz ing con ce rt here in Englewood . On Thursday night , the Strings Attached kids gal to gel the viol ins
and cellos out. And I didn 't gel to go, but I've gotten calls from the folks who did, who said the musicians had a
great lime ; all the kids dancing on the fioor had a great time and the parents had a great lime. I think we have
two treasures in Jean and Janel. It's a great thing to have Strings Attached in our town . That's a way cool thing
we have here . The second thing is Sam Hills Barber Shop . I don 't know if you have ever been there . Thin is
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the 100th anniversary of his coming to town . In 1908, he came out here and said folks need lo have a bath sad
a ha ircut and this seems as good a place as any lo put a barbershop together and he did . In 100 years , there
have only been three owners of Sam Hills . I think ii mlghl be way cool , if you all as a City Council , would write
him some kind of a congratulatory proclamation lo say thanks for being around for 100 years . Rick , the guy who
runs the place now , is cul out of the same piece of cloth that Sam was . I think they'd be worthy . And the other
point... I've been reading in the notes ... you all have been struggling over the 50 fool frontage rule and what to
do with that and try ing lo decide if Planning and Zon in g or you all as a Ci:y Council or admin istrative
adjustments could do that or the Board of Adjustment and Appeals . I guess I'm coming as an advocate for the
Board of Adjustment and Appeals . It seems like if the Planning and Zon ing guys did it , ii could be that they
would end up with a precedent that others could argue and say well , we now have a rule that you can gel under
the 50 fool frontage and it would just be more compl icated than ii needs to ' · The Board of Adju stments
makes individual kinds of adjustments , keep ing the rules intact. I'm advoc. ,g for Iha! pos iti on . That's all I
have lo say . Thank you .
Mayor Woodward sa id thank yo u.
(b ) Jerry Furman . an Englewood resident , sa id Flood Middle School ... l lhink we should have a vole
on ii be cause ii is losing money for the City and the school district. Whal I th ink we should do is loss about
ideas about Flood Middle School. Whal we should do is lo lake ii down and put up a plaque say ing Englewood
High School was here and Flood Middle School was here . We need to make ii something that makes money for
the City . The other thing is teachers , who have been leaching for years , they should get to come up here and
be recognized for be ing a teacher for the City of Englewood . Because Englewood right now ... if we are trying lo
get volers lo come in, I th ink we sh ou ld get the teachers involved and have a once a year thing for 18 and older
lo come here and hear more information about the governmenl of the City of Engle "0Od and the Stale of
Co lo rado .
Mayor Woodwa rd sa id thank you Jerry.
• (c) Ma tthew Crabtree , an Englewood res id ent , said I would like to lake a moment here to res pond
to Coun cilm an John Moore's statement from the last meeting . Co un ci lman Moore , I appreciate the ex tensi on of
th e ol ive branch regarding what was staled as our httle debat e. Although , I don 't th ink ii is rea lly necessary .
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The reason be ing is it is not my intent to engage in personal debate with the topics I bring forth . And for
clarification , it is not my intent to irritate any of you either. I'm simply shar ing concerns that I shared with the
public , shared with members of our group , and one of the concerns , at this point , is transparency in government.
Now, John , you had mentioned that you hoped that I would bring another issue toward Council this time and I
certa inly will , but the thing to remember here is for me to stop present ing on the Open Meet ings Law , I'd liKe to
see that Council is operating more within the Open Meetings Law . I'll stop commenting on that when it is no
longer a problem . And I was really hop ing before I presented ton ight that I wouldn 't have anything to present on
recent history regard ing open meetings , but I kind of do . There was an issue tha t... with the last Study
Sess ion ... there wasn 't a Study Sess io n last week , there was an Executive Session . Although it is not
particularly clearly written in the Open Meetings Law like this, I didn 't see anyth ing In there . When checking with
other cities . it's customary to prov ide openness of government. It's customary to hold a public meeting , for
instance a Study Session , and then extend , from the Study Sess ion , to an Executive Sess ion at that po int , to
provide a description to the people that are interested or to the record , why the Executive Ses 1or. is occurring .
A little bit longer than what the definition is on the agenda . That is customary . That's what Litt le'.on does .
That's what other cities do . Holding a Study Session and then making a decis ion to go Into Exec .ubvc Sess io n
after that. Now . the topic that I wanted to brin g forward has a different concern at th is po int . Most • :her cities
also have two-way communication between people that publicly comment. In Englewood ... they seem to
reserve ... the Council members reserve their comments towards the end of the meeting .
Whereas ... sometimes ... it appears that certain people , who present , are lost at that po int. I remember a few
times in the past wh ere people have come up and presented and they have received no respo nse from Council
afterwards . If there is more two-way communication , as other citi es do , I think that would be a ittle more open ,
and a little more accessible for the people of the commun ity . So John, that's my other concern that I bring to
you . Once aga in I would like to say thank you for the olive branch , but let's work toward more open an d
transparent government at the City of En glewood . Other cities have gone to that point. Groups similar to
EC0'3 in other cities , after those issues, or after issues in general , have gone away ... they have not had much to
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present at that point. If we can work toward openness and transparency in government , I might not have •
anyth ing else to present. There mig ht not be other issues . A lot of issues stemmed from this transparency
issues . Thank you .
Mayor Woodward said thank you .
8. Communications, Proclamallons and Appointments
There were no communications , proclamat ions or appo int ments .
9. Consent Agenda
(a) Approval of Ordinances on Fi rst Read in g
There were no ordinances on first read ing .
COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE MOVED , AND COUNCIL MEMBER WILSON SECONDED, TO APPROVE
CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 9 (b) (I), (II), (Ill), (Iv) and 9 (c) (I).
(b) Approval of Ord inances on Second Reading
(i) ORDINANCE NO . 67 SERIES OF 2008 (CO UNCIL BILL NO . 74, INTRODUCED BY
COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE)
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 4, CHAPTER 4, OF THE ENGLEWOOD MUNICIPAL CODE 2000 , WITH
THE ADDITION OF A NEW SECTION 21, ENTITLED "OFFICERS OF CORPORATIONS , MEMBERS OF
PARTNERSHIPS , AND LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANIES ".
(ii) ORDINANCE NO . 68 SERIES OF 2008 (C OUNCIL BILL NO . 75. INTRODUCED BY
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• AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT ENTITLED "U.S. DEPARTMENT
OF THE INTERIOR U.S. GEOLOGICAL SURVEY JOINT FUNDING AGREEMENT FOR WATER RESOURCES
INVESTIGATIONS .'
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(iii) ORDINANCE NO . 69 SERIES OF 2008 (COUNCIL BILL NO . 76 , INTRODUCED BY
COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE)
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 4, CHAPTER 4, SECTION 16, OF ,HE ENGLEWOOD MUNICIPAL
CODE 2000 , ENTITLED "NOTICES SENT BY MAIL ".
(iv) ORDINANCE NO . 70 SERIES :)F 2008 (COUNCIL BILL NO . 77, INTRODUCED BY
COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE)
AN ORDINANCE AMENDIW, TITLE 4, CHAPTER 4, SECTION 4, SUBSECTION 4, AND ADDING A NEW
SUBSECTION 8, 'LOCATIO ,. GUIDE " TO THE ENGLEWOOD MUNICIPAL CODE 2000 .
(c) Resolutions and Motions .
(i) RESOLUTION NO . 80 , SERIES OF 2008
A RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZING THE ENGLEWOOD PUBLIC LIBRARY TO IMPLEMENT THE ANNUAL
'WINTER FOOD FOR FINES " PROGRAM FROM MONDAY , DECEMBER 1, 2008 THROUGH SUNDAY ,
DECEMBER 14 , 2008 .
Vote results :
Ayes :
Nays :
Motion carried .
10. Public Hearing Items
Council Members Penn , McCaslln , Moore , Woodward , Jefferson ,
Wilson , Oakley
None
No publ ic hearing was scheduled .
11 . Ordinance ■, RHolutlon and Motions
(a) Approval of Ord inances on First Reading
(i) Senior Pla nner Langon presented a recommendation from lhP. Community
Development Department to adopt a bill for an ord inance authoriz ing amendment,, to Tille 11 (Public Ways and
Property), Title 15: Health (Sanitation and Environmental Protectio n), and Tille 16 (Unified Dev elopment Code)
regard ing hard surface standards , and an amendment to Tille 16 regard ing maximum commercial vehicle weight
In residential zones . Staff also requests that Council set a public hearing for December 1, 2008 to gather publ ic
testimony on this iss ue . She said we have two sets of proposed ord inance s. First is amendments regarding
hard surface for parking areas , basically the definition , in Tille 11, TIiie 15 and Tille 16. Secondly , amendments
regarding the maximum vehicle we ight in residential districts and that Is an amendment in Tille 16. The
Planning Commission held a public hea ring on October 21 , 2008 and recommended approval of the UDC
amendments . The purpose of these amendments Is for cons iste ncy through all titles throughout the Englewood
Mun ici pal Code . Hard surface as related to driveways and park ing are as In these three titles have similar, but
inconsistent defin itions and this amendment creates a single defin ition , a un iform defin ition . The second
amendments . on the commercial vehicle weight In residentiai districts, that's a change only in the Un ifi ed
Development Code , because all other titles and City traffic signs all relate to a 7,000 pound ve hicle weight limit.
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The UDC had a 6 ,000 pound limit. So in making that one change , now all tille s 3nd size would be al the same
7,000 pounds . So the amendments are des igned for consistency and to reduce misunderstand ings acros s the
Titles, so we request that you approve the amendments on first reading and set the publi c hearing for De cembe r
1. I'll be happ y to address any question s.
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Mayor Woodward asked if anyone had questions for Tricia at this lime .
Mayor 11',oodward said I have one on the enforcement of this . There are currently numerous driveways that are
gravel or crusher fines or someth ing similar to that. As far as enforcement goes, is there a grandfathering of
these? Is there some sort of time period that's being suggested or recommended to change? Senior Planner
Langon said th is doesn 't change any existing driveways or require anyone to come up to the hard surface
definition . It Is only when there Is development. Mayor Woodward said so new permit and new construction .
Ms . Langon sa id right. A new garage that would require a driveway or the installation of a solid surface ... a hard
surface driveway .
Mayor Woodward asked r. there were any other questions for Tric ia. They were none .
COUNCIL MEMBER WILSON MOVED, AND COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE SECONDED, TO APPROVE
AGENDA ITEM 11 (a) (I) -COUNCIL BILL NO. 79 AND SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR DECEMBER 1, 2008 .
COUNCIL BILL NO . 79, INTRODUCED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WILSON
A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 11 , CHAPTF.R 6, SECTION 2; TITLE 15 , CHAPTER 1,
SECTION 2; AND TITLE 16, CHAPTERS 5, 6, AND 11 , OF THE ENGLEWOOD MUNICIPAL CODE 2000
REGARDING HARD SURFACE STANDARDS AND COMMERCIAL VEHICLE WEIGHT .
Mayor Woodward asked If there was any other discuss ion . There was none .
Vote results :
Ayes :
Nays :
Motion carried .
Council Members Penn , Mccaslin , Moore , Woodward, Jefferson,
Wilson , Oakley
None
(b) Approval of Ordinances o~ Second Reading
(i) Council Bill No . 69 , amending the Unified Development Code pertaining to flags in the
South Broadway Business Improvement District was considered .
COUNCIL MEMBER WILSOll MOVED, AND COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE SECONDED, TO APPROVE
AGENDA ITEM 11 (b) (I).
COUNCIL BILL NO . 69 , INTRODUCED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WILSON
A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE EN CLEWOOD MUNICIPAL CODE 2000 BY AMENDING
TITLE 16-Q-13, SIGNS NOT SUBJECT TO PERMITS , TO ALLOW DISPLAY OF A FLAG USED EXCLUSIVE!''
BY THE SOUTH BROADWAY ENGLEWOOD BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT MEMBERS .
Mayor Woodward sa id I'll open it up for discuss ion .
Council Member Mccaslin said so if we approve this, the flags are for the BID , right? They will be able to fly
their flags on that last Saturday and no one else will be able to fly a flag?
Mayor Woodward said well , there's the orig inal amendment , and then there 's a memorandum attached that has
three different options .
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Council Member McCaslln said so which one are we voting on? Mayor Woodward said we are discussing it •
right now . Mr. McCaslln sa id okay .
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• Ma yor Woodward sa id let's see if there is a moti on to amend by any of th ese th rs e. Pe rsona ll y, I lik e opt ion
number 3, the last one on the last page . He read "business flags are permitted , prov ided the flags display only
the term "sale today ", but no Individual bus iness names . Such flags are limited to three feet by four feet the
·sale today" term is perm itted on both sides of the flag . Such flags may only be flown on the last Saturday of the
month or on su ch other days as authorized by the City Manager or des ignee ". I wou ld add one thing there and
that would be on the ~;,cond to the last line , right after the last word "last" and I would add the word "bus iness"
Saturday of the month , wh ich would then provide for holidays that ma y fall on a Saturday , such as New Yea(s ,
New Year's Eve , that type of thing .
Council Member Moore sa id your honor , I thought our comprom ise , discussed at the last meeting , was that we
would try to address this very isolated situation and come back and figu re out the broader policy . From that
perspective , I th ink we should be including language , maybe it's a blend of these two , but we should be
including language that it ought to be flags of City approved Business Improvement Districts as opposed to ... I
th ink it needs the time constraint in option number 3 and I think it should have the Business Improvement
District !imitation in option number 2. Collectively ... l'm sorry ... option number 2 does have the Saturday already
in It. That would allow us to keep it narrowed, address the specific situation now, and still come back to
consider what Is the right policy go ing forwa rd. I would favor number 2 just to make sure , again, to makr sure
we are dealing with a very limited case .
Council Member Jefferson sa id I guess , having heard that, I would be in favor of a comb inat ion of those two ;
where it would say Business Improvement flags are permitted and then continue on like we discussed on the
last option , that third option there , if that makes sense to everybody .
Counc il Member Wilson said as far as the time ... Council Member Jefferson sa id yes , I prefer the designat io n of
the last Saturday or other such days as designated by the City . It just adds a whole lot more flexibil ity for us .
• Council Member Moore said I'm good with that. Council Member Jefferson said so you 're okay with that as
well? Council Member Moore sa id yes . Council Member Jefferson said so that number leaves us with
that... they 're be ing called flags of c;ty approved Bus iness Improvement Districts and then the rest of the
verbiage as In option 3.
Counc il Membe r Wilson said we do,1'1 want to include all bus inesses because ? Counc il Member Moore said
there were a lot of different paths we could take, that we discussed at the last meeting and as an effort ... it was
my impression to avoid having to resolve all of those issues and one of them was how broadly this is
available ... to avoid having to drag out this immediate issue and to resolve those broader issues , it is my
impression that we agreed just to keep th is very narrow to the BID . We want to permit the BID to do this and
that's why I would like to reta in the Business Improvement District language here . I'm still open to that broader
discussion , but I th ink that there is a lot more to that discussion thari we can resolve in th is timeframe .
Mayor Woodward sa id and I recall that too . Just one question . Is there anybody that is in favor of number 1 or
can we elim inate that? Council Membe r Jefferson sa id it just aoesn 't include the sale term . Is that right? C;ty
Attorney Brotzman said right. The first op tion is the r.urrent language p,oposed by the Plann ing and Z.on ing
Department before they saw the BID flag .
Counc il Member Penn said I agree with you John . I rea lly do not want to leave oth er peo ple out of th is and I
know for discussion and to get th is done in a timel y fash ion , I wil l step back on it, but I really , really encourage
us to come back and look at th is. I just can 't believe that we would exclude other pla ces that want to do this .
Council Member Wilson sa id my issue is that we a;~ not excluding them . We are ,. ,owing the,.., to r.0 It any1 :me
they want , in other areas . Where I th ink the continuity and having people com ing to Englewood for th is sale
date would be more appropriate or more beneficial to the City , as opposed to having ... the BID can have it one
ti me , but we are not really li miting it to any othe , business . They can have it whenever the; want , correct?
• Se veral members sa id no . Ma yor Woodwa rd said it is for the BID only . Council Member J affer so n sa id that's
when it ROI a little bit dice y. Remember , you can have a sign in the ir window that says sa le, but ;ou can 't havr,
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a banner like the BIC showed us . Council Member W ilson sa id okay , then I'll go along with Randy . I'm for th is,
but I would like to come back to it.
Council Member Jefferson sa id I don 't see th is as a huge issue myse !f. I'd be willing to proceed either wa y.
Council Member Wilson sa id I'd ju st like to see th is get moving for good .
Counc il Member Mccaslin said I spoke with Ted Va sil i, I explained my concern about it. If I was a business
owner either south or west , and I couldn't hang a flag and I couldn't join the BID , because we don 't have one in
our area , I think that it's unfair. As a small business owner, why ... because I can 't get Into the BID , why am I
going to ... I'm a part of Englewood . I want Englewood to surv ive as well as everyone else . I have an issue with
that. So we are isolating the BID and that's it. That's Englewood for you . Ted told me that he would be willing
to have the Board of Directors to come and have a Study Session with us and I thought that we could talk about
this . I really have an issue with this .
Council Member Wilson said where are the other business people that have an issue with it? Council Member
Mccaslin said I'll be honest with you , I don 't think they know . I'll bet if I go walk the street. .. I wish I had the time
to go talk to some of those business owners .
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Mayor Woodward said wai t...going back to ... we do have the BID on our list to come forward for a Study
Session . Council Member Mccaslin said thank yo u and I do apprec iate that. Mayor Woodward said but going
back to what John initially said was that we did discuss it at our last meeting about narrowing this down . To
provide for the immediate need and the immediate request of the BID and that we would ... and I th ink that most ,
if not all of us , understood that we would come back to this again and discuss it and try to get it narrowed down
to something probably in a Study Session , where we could really discuss all of the different pluses and minuses
of any type of arrangement and then start putting it together to bring It forward In something revised . •
Counc il Member Penn said I agree with you Bob . I really agree with you , but I think we need to get th is through
so that we can get BID going and then It could be a showcase for other compan ies to come and say hey , you
know what , I kind of like th is and have that discussion later on . But we have to get it started , so that someth ing
happens .
Council Membe r Mccaslin said so are we going to wait around for other bus inesses to complain about it before
we do someth ing about ;17 If we do this, I want it addressed . I want it addressed as soon as possible . I don 't
want to wa it and see . Like Jill said , where are the people south and west? \ll lell maybe there's not a concerned
abou t them bu t... Mayor Woodward said I think we will address it. We can get it on the agenda, get ;1 going right
away but I think ... Council Member Mccaslin sa id if you do that. .. I'm willing to go with it if you 're willing to
address it.
Counc il Me-n ber Penn said also I think that If we do go that way Jim , and I th ink that's the way we need to go , I
th ink maybe we send out a note to ... or however we can convey th is, to some of the non-BID members so that
we can get some of their suggestions also .
Council Memb er Moore said so your honor , for the sake of be i1 ,g expedit ious on this part ic ular issue , I'll make a
motion that we take the first two sentences of option 2 and the third and final sentence of option 3, which simply
just adds , essentially, the City Manager's '1scret ion and use that language for the Council Bill.
May or Woodward asked if I could ju st make a friendly amendmen t...and add "business· Saturday , so if that last
Sat urday ends on a holiday ... Council Member Moore said I'm sorry. I'm finding it so wh at's the ... Mayor
Woodward said such flags may only be flown on the last "business· Sa turday of the month . Council Member
Wilson said so are you say ing that if there was a holiday ... Council Member Moore said so like if Christmas Day
was un a Saturday ... Mayor Woodward sai d correct. Council Member Moore asked if that was a legal term . So
thu idea is that if Christmas was on a Saturday, so the stores are closed on Saturday , how would you say the •
Saturday befo re? I've not heard the term of "business · ... a non-Saturday holiday . Mayor Woodward repl ied well
I guess I've used it many times in leases . There were several okay 's from the Council members . Mayor
Woodward said Dan , you 're the legal authority . City Attorney Brotzman said you can do i: one of two ways ; you
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• can either do ii th is way or you ca n simply say the veo1 last sentence , whi ch is manager or des ignee ... to bac k it
up. Mayor Woodward sa id or accepting hol ida ys. in wh ich case it would be the prior Saturday , and it gets
wv,dier . Council Member Moore said I'm fine wilh the proposal , whatever it is , however we best accomplish
that. Council Member •1efferson said I'm not e;cn sure , like you sa id, maybe that the edit is not even totally
necessary your honor . If the City Manager do es retain that authorizat ion to designate other days , or do you
th ink that's still necessary? I don 't know . Council Member Wilson said would they have to come to the City
Manager though and get approval .or tnat ? Several Counc il members said yes . Council Member Wilson sa id
so that , to me, would be like an extra st op ~o It it I~ already specified ... Counc il Member Jefferson said that's
true. but couldn 't the City Manager pro,.,,,··, !y ,lpprove a day? Mayor Woodward said the City Manager has
other th ings going on . City Manager s ~ar~ r,•ld Just so there 's not an inconsistt1ncy and that is one of the
assets with the BID actually promoting lha l. ~•,;a use they have an association that then works In concert with
each other so we would not Just say one business gets ii up and the other doesn 't get it. ii has to be in a
consistent manner. Bui I would see us working with the BID to come up with that schedule tor what that
consistent manner would be . That's how I would perce iv e approving this . Council Member Moore said plus, it's
possible that they don 't want to take that Saturday oft. I mean , typically , maybe they're closed Christmas, but
they think 4" of July is a great day , if ii fell on a Saturday so ... Mayor W'XU1ward said I guarantee that the 4,. of
July would never be the last Saturday of the month . Council Mel ,'~,-Mo,,, c ;aid rather than limiting that ,
maybe just the City Manager's discretion would be enough . I me3 . th&.! ..-.o u\i be a reasonable request that
came in ... the BID comes in and says the final Saturday doesn ·: ,,.,:1 -~. ,:an ,., just move it up, for this reason?
Council Member Jefferson said I don 't th ink that's too much of a b ,:de11 ◊a them , because they are going to
have to look into wher , they are going to have their sale days , at leas! a couple weeks In advance .
Coun cil Member McCa ,-1;•: said just to clarify things . If you read this lo:ter , dated~· ,vember 12", Ted even says
that the BID is not agains. the •~a of any other areas using a flag . But the flag they wish to use was designed
with the idea of being identified with their BID area . I li ke that. I want them to be identified as their BID , beca •Jse
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there are seven to eight businesses . But he also agrees with us that we shouldn 't be excluding throughout the
City . So. I don 't know where our discussion is going to be . Are we going to wait until people complain? Council
Member Jefferson said I'm willing to open it up to the rest of the City , personally . Mayor Woodward sa id we can
start ii pretty darn qu ick Bob and start the disc11ssion real quick . Counc il Member Mccaslin said why wouldn 't
we open it up nc.v? I mean the BID is not against it. Council Member Jefferson said who else is willing to open
it up now? I'm willing to open ii up . Council Member Mccaslin said I don't know why we wouldn 't open it up ,
just to make it fair . I don 't see why not.
Council Member Moore sa id there are issees about. .. if you open this up , we have not used th is fom, of
advert ising across the City unlimited . It's been something that's been proh ibited in the past. If we are going to
open it, I th ink we have to consider all of the aspects about doing it. Having flags at every business 24/7 , 365
days a year . it requ ires careful consideration . The compromise In front of us was to get this one issue dealt
with and allow us to take proper time on the broader issue . This is what was put in front of us . If we are go ing
to reopen this whole discussion , then I know I need more time to consider all of these implications , because this
is someth ing we have preciudeC in the past. So just to make ii a blanket new fo rm of advertis ing that we
support that's why ... I agree , personally . My taka on th is was that there was an urgency with this to fac ilitate
Council acting qu ick ly . Th is is the one thing that we could aa agree .-,. Let's get th is done . Let's get the
broader issue on a Study Se ssion topic, rather than reopen this whole lebate and do it ag ~i n ton ight. Council
Member Mccaslin sa id what yo:i 're tellir.g me is it's alright , even thoug ., we haven 't look1,d into ii as at the first
read ing we do . i('s alright for the BID , but noi for anyone else . I have a huge issue with that. Council Member
Moore said because we ha ve a very tang ible request in front of us . Very specific . Th is is what we want to do .
Th is is when we want to do it and we 've all agreed that that is okay . What I don 't know is how far you keep
going ... when does it stop oe lng okay? Th is we can ail narrowly agree is okay . Let's get this done and then let's
move 011 and have careful discussion about the rest of it. Council Member Mccaslin said what I don 't
understand , why is ii okay for the BID , but not for anybody else in the City? That's where I have the disconnect.
Mayor Woodward sa id I think wh nt John is saying is that if we , we as a Council , have the opportunity to discuss
such things as logo on their ... whether it is a shopp ing center , shopping center assocla .:on , If it Is a private
• business . There are plenty of things that expand into th is, in my opinion ... the he ight of th is. That sort of th ing . I
know there 's a flag flying right now in District 3 or a pennant ... that does not even meet ADA requ irements , much
less City Code and it's a hazard. So , some of those th ings have to be ... I think is what Jr hn wants is to get a
bigger picture , viewpoint o! 1hat. Right now , during this se aso n right now , nobody else h2s come forward with
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th is. The BID is the only one . What I am seeing,. ,i I th ink what John is seeing , ,s the people that are putting
the agendas together, we will get this on the ager,·• We will get. I think , what you want the City ... but it is
going to be in a thought out manner and I would ~~n me probably th ings like ... Dan and Gary ... Council
Member McC,,slin said see ... to me it sounds Ii ~, a doable negative or whatever you want to see. We want to
be able to think about it, but it's alright for this y1ou p of ~aople to do it and I'm going ... Council Member Wilson
5aid but they specified exactly what they wan t l"e know exactly what It is going to look like. We have specified
size . Cou ncil Member Jefferson said we all agrP ~d it's a ,cod id ea. Co uncil Member Wilson said yes .
6,::ause I think they are broader pictures. We ,·:;,.,,d want to see other logos to make sure they are appropriate .
I mean we know what their flag is going to look 11~0 . S<> •¥• can move forward on this and maybe ii will catch on
where other bus inesses will come and say hey, whai ~an we do or help with logos or someth ing . But, you wan t
ii to be appropriate. Mayor Woodward said I really hope it catches on , because it is such a powerful branding ,
economic brandi ng type of thing . Council Member Mccaslin said ~ ii is a brnnding , ii should t,a the City of
Englewood, not a certain ... I mean I'll vote for it, but because I want BID ... I r· ,ean I want the City to survive. I
want us to be a very fruilful ... as much as we can . I just think we are leaving people out. To me, it is almost
unconstitutional when you talk about other things ... ii would be like me saying okay in one area we are going to
allow pit bulls and the rest we are going to, but we are going to try to see if ii works In this area and if it works,
well maybe we 'll expand ii. Council Member Wilson said well then we'll also have to get rid of the sandwich
boards th2t they are setting up in the middle of the sidewalk. I mean there are things that people are already
doing Council Member Mccaslin said I think we are only addressing flags on the le.si :::aturday of the month .
It's the same sale. Council Member Wilson said do we want to have any say about how they look or logo?
Council Member Mccaslin said you know to me it's like ... and I rr.anaged an ice arr.n a. I'm going to try to give
you a scena rio where we had ice skaters and hockey players goin~ to for the same amount of ice. The loudest
voice got the most ice. Or the ones with the most money got the most ice lime. Some of the other people
suffered . I didn 't think that was fair. I still don't think tht• was fair . And I don 't know how to make it more fair. If
I had a bus iness either ~ou th or west that I could put out a sale s,.~ ... and we are trying to promote the City of
Englewood , on the last Sa!Urday of the month and I can't put a sale sign up. I just don't understand it. You
guys have told me that we are going to try ii, that th it; is kind of a pilot r ·ogram and I'll go into it, but I really have
on issue with it. So I'll vote yes, but I really want 10 ... 1 really want us to bring this up again .
Mayor Wcodward said okay. I am going to remove the friendly amendment to your amendment utilizing
business, so Bob d id vuu want to s,,cond the amendment?
Council Member Jofferson said I'm sorry . One other quick housekeeping item was the difference between 1
and 3, utilizing both sides of the flag ... using the sale term on both sides. Was the BID's on both s,1es? I don 't
even remember. Mayor Woodward sa id the Bl D's was on both sides. Council Member Jefferson said do we
need to specify both sides? City Attorney Brotzman said they re-describe the flag , so you are getting the
specific size flag with a limited amount cf ... so you can advertise on both sides. The original one ... the first on e
... is actually a bigger flag , but the way the UDC worked , it was a bigger flag . There is only so much
advertising ... Council Member Jefferson said sure . I 'm just saying in our new ord inance here , should we say
both sides? City Attorney Brotzman said it does . Council Member Jefferson said I thought you were taking the
first two ... I thought John your amendment was ... okay I apologize. Council Member Mccaslin $aid can you read
the whole amendment... Cn11nc il Member Moore sa id I'll do that just to be clear. So on the bottom of the firs t
page , I'm going to take the first :We sentences .. ."flags of City approved Business Improvement Districts
provided the flags d is i lay only !he name , emblem and /or logo of the organ ization and the term sale today, but
no individual busines,, names. Such flags are limited to three feet by four feet but the emblem and /or logo and
sale today term are pe,mitted on both sides of the flag .· Now from there I jump over to the option on the next
page and steal the final t ?ntence .. ."such flags may only be flown on the last Saturday of lhe monlt, or on such
other day as authorized by the City Manag er or designee. • That's the motion .
Mayor Woodward asked if there was any further discussio n.
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Cou ncil Member McCaslln said I just want to be on record that I'm not against the BID . I'm not against any •
bus iness owner in Englewood . I just hope this discussion goes further than this.
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Cou ncil Member Jefferson sa id and I'll say aga in that I'm mo re tha n hap py to exte nd th e sam e privile ges that
the BID has, in many wa ys, on signage and st uff li ke ... to extend that to the rest of the commu nity . I think tha t's
fa ir. I'm more than happ y to work on that in the futu re.
Mayor Woodward said I think we are all kind of the same mind there . Its how to get there . It's shap ing it.
Cou 1ci l Member Mccasl in sa id and that is kind of what bothers me is we 're doing it and we 're saying now we're
go ing to shape it and see wha t...maybe th is is th e way we Iron the ordinance out. I guess . Is that what you 're
t;y ing to say? Thi s is the way we wo rk through the bugs , before we offer it to everyone else . Is th is what you
are kind of telling me ? Council Member Je1ferson sa id I don 't th ink that's true .
Ma,or Woodward sa id that is not what I'm trying to say , no . I'm trying to say : do we say logo , do we not sa y
logo , do we say ... we need to get Into a lot of things . Do they have to be a certain color, does it matter? What is
the lettering ? An Opt ima type of font? There are all kinds of things that you could gel into and I think that's
what John is trying to address . Some so, t of standard ization that helps the branding of what we 're trying to
accompl ish here . Now we know that's alread y set up for the BID . We know It. We 've seen it. They've
presented it. It 's set up .
Council Member Mccaslin sa id so bas ically you 're branding BID right now. You 're brand ing BID . We're not
brand ing Englewood . Mayor Woodward said we 're not brand ing anything . We 're hav ing a sale day . Unti l we
have all of th is other ... and it's going on every Saturday , that's when branding kicks In . Council Member
Mccaslin said you keep using the term BID though . We're branding BID , because we 're not branding any othe r
part of Englewood . Mayor Woodward said well , until we have our meeting and go forward ... Councll Member
McCaslln said okay , I just want to make it clear ...
• Mayor Woodward said okay . Any other discussion? There was none .
COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE MOVED, AND COUNCIL MEMBER JEFFERSON SECONDED TO AMEND
AGENDA ITEM 11 b (I} TO READ" FLAGS OF CITY-APPROVED BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS ,
PROVIDED THE FLAGS DISPLAY ONLY THE NAME EMBLEM AND/OR LOGO OF THE ORGANIZATION
AND THE TERM "SALE TODAY ", BUT NO INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS NAMES . SUCH FLAGS ARE LIMITED
TO THREE FEET BY FOUR FEET BUT THE EMBLEM AND/OR LOGO AND "SALE TODAY" TERM ARE
PERMITTED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FLAG. SUCH FLAGS MAY ONLY BE FLOWN ON THE LAST
SATURDAY OF THE MONTH OR ON SUCH OTHER DAYS AS AUTHORIZED BY THE CITY MANAGER OR
DESIGNEE .
Mayor Woodward asked if there wa s any discuss ion . The re was none .
Vote results on amendment :
Ayes :
Na ys :
Mot ion carri ed.
Counc il Members Penn , Mccasl in, Moore, Woodward , Jefferson ,
Wilson , Oakle y
None
Ma yor Wood ward asked if there was any disc uss ion .
• ... yor Woodward said I have one question I gu ess for Dan . Dan , who enforces th is under Title 16? City
Attorney Brotzmao sa id actually Community Developmen t works with the Pol ice Department on enforcement.
Mayor Woodward .aid okay . I had mentioned it at the meeting before and I'll men tion it again tonigt '.. B,oadway
needs some pol ice enforcement on si~nage .
Vote rHullB on approval of Council BIii No . 69, as amended :
• Ay es: Coun ci l Members Penn , Mccaslin, Moore , Woc.dward , Jefferson,
Wi lson , Oakley
Na ys: None
Motion carried
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(ii) Council Bill No . 78 , authorizing a sewer rate increase was cons idered .
COUNCIL MEMBER OAKLEY MOVED , AND COUNCIL MEMBER PENN SECONDED, TO APPROVE
AGENDA ITEM 11 (b) (II) -ORDINANCE NO . 71, SERIES OF 2008 .
ORDINANCE NO . 71 SERIES OF 2008 (CO UNCIL BILL NO . 78, INTRODUCED BY COUNCIL MEMBER
McCASLIN)
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 12 , CHA ' TER 2, SECTION 3, SUBSECTION B, OF THE ENGLEWOOD
MUNICIPAL CODE 2000 REGARDING SEWER FEES AND CHARGES .
Mayor Woodward asked if there was any disc ussion . There was none .
Vote results :
Moti on carried ,
Ayes : Council Members Penn, Mccaslin , Moore , Woodward , Jefferson,
Wilson , Oakley
Na1s : None
(c ) Resolut ions and Motions
(i) A resolution establishing thd annual salary for the City Mana ger was cons id ered ,
COUNCIL MEMBER WILSON MOVED, AND COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE SECONDED, TO APPROVE
AGENDA ITEM 11 (c) (I) • RESOLUTION NO . 81, SERIES OF 2008,
RESOLUTION NO . 81 . SERIES OF 2008
A REGOLUTION ESTABLISHING THE ANNUAL SALARY FOR THE CITY MANA(\ER OF THE CITY OF
ENGLEWOOD , COLORADO .
Mayor Woodward asked if there was an y disc uss ion , There was none .
Vote results :
Motio n carr ied .
Ayes : Coun ci l Members Penn , Mccaslin, Moore , Woodward , Jefferson ,
Wilson, Oakley
Nays : None
(ii) A resolut ion establlsh:ng the annual salary for the City Attorney was considered ,
COUNCIL MEMBER PENN MOVED, AND COUNCIL MEMBER OAKLEY SECONDED, TO APPROVE
AGENDA ITEM 11 (c) (II)· RESOLUTION Nt;, 82, SERIES OF 2008,
RESOLUTION NO , 82 , SERIES OF 2008
A RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING THE ANNUAL SALARY FOR THE CITY ATfORNEY OF THE CITY OF
ENGLEWOOD , COLORADO .
Mayor Woodward asked if there was any discussion , There was none .
Vote results:
Ayes :
Nays :
Council Members Penn , Mccaslin, Moore , Woodward , Jefferson .
Wilso n, Oakley
None
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••• Mot1on earned .
(iii ) A re solu tion establish ing the ann ual sa lary for the Mun ici pal Court Judge was
considered .
COUNCIL MEMBER PENN MOVED , ANC. COUNCIL MEMBER WILSON SECONDED, TO APPROVE
AGENDA ITEM 11 (c) (Ill) • RESOLUTION NO . 83, SERIES OF 2008 .
RESOLUTION NO . 83 , SERIES OF 2008
A RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING THE ANNU AL SALARY FOR THE MUNICIPAL COURT JUDGE OF THE
CITY OF ENGLEWOOD , COLORADO .
Mayor Woodward asked if there was any discuss ion . There was none .
Vote results:
Ayes : Council Members Penn . Mccasl in, Moore . Woodward , Jefferson .
Wilson , Oakley
Nays: Non e
Motion carried .
12 . General Dlacuaalon
(a) Mayo~s Choice
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(i) Mayor Woodward sa id I just want to mention that I know a number of us attended the
Englewood Education Foundation 's Fall Fli ng on Saturday even ing , here at CityCenter. I th ink it was probably
the largest attendance ever . Hopefully they raised money . Th is supports the Englewood schools and it also
supports schola rsh ips and teachers , so it's certainly for a good cause .
(ii ) Mayor Woodward said I just want to address Matthew. Two weeks ago , at the meeting ,
you had mentio ned Littleton and their late meetings ; two o'clock , one o'clock . Election night , which was the day
after that mee ti ng night, I was talking to Peggy Cole, who is a Council member at Littleton , and I mentioned to
her that I understand that you have pretty late meetings . She kin d of glazed a bit and then said we ll not too bad .
I said, well two o'clock? She looked at me and sa id two o'clock? We don 't have any until two o'clock . Well I
sa id one o'clock ? She said no , I think the latest mee '.in g we 've ever had wa1 a quarter to twelve . Now she 's a
new Council member and that's the latest that they have had . We continued on , discuss ing Counc il stuff,
formats and stuff like that , and one of the th in gs that was po inted out was th at they don't have a Study Sess ion
before they have a Council meeting like we do. And so , when we were talk ing about be ing drained or feel ing
like at 9:30 we need to take a brea k, they haven 't had anyth ing prior to that. So typ ically the1 would call an
Exec utive Sess ion after Council meetings and go fnrwa ,d there. So for the record , I just wanted to clarify that
that in the last year, at least since Peggy has been there , they have had no later meetings than what we have
had and the ir St udy Sessions are at different times . Sometimes they hJve their meetings . lik e was reported by
Ih a press , where two members show up to entirely separate meeti ngs .
(iii) Mayor Wood wa rd sa id I wou ld like to congratulate the calendar art ists. I really enjoy
the cale ndar and I get comments from all ove r th e country on our calendar, on what a nice piece of work it is .
(b) Council Members ' Cho ice
(i) Council Member Penn :
• 1. He sa id I happe ned to attend the meeting after the E1.glewood Transportation Au thority ... ! we nt to the
medical district presentation that they had here ... Commun ity Deve lopmen t... it was an excellent presentation . I
wo uld say 95 % of the information they got back was really positive . John di d a great jo b prese ntin g and it was
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very we ,. d~.-.a . I don 't know how many people they had on Wednesday, but Thursday night they had probably
about 25 pe ople . So, it was a really good presentation ,
2. He said the Fall Fling ... all of the people from the City of Englewood that helped with the Fall Fling , the
people who helped set up for the Fall Fl ing for the Englewood Education Foundalion ... il was tremendous The
au ctioneer was outstanding , II was really good and , hopefully , we can continue doing that and continue work ing
with Englewood Public Schools .
3. He sa id to all of the young artists ... that's one thing that I never had any talent in at all was art . They are
to be commer.ded . Again, I hope it expands . I would love lo see an Englewood High School student on the,.
one of these days . Maybe with Sean here we can do that. Hopefullr that happens.
4 . He sa ,.: Chamber news. The Chamber Is coming around. We have a holiday party on December 1,",
at the Alexan , from 5 10 8. We truly need support. II is not just for Chamber members. Hopefully people
understand that. If you need extra invitations , I will get those to you . We would like to invite every Englev., .,d
uslness that we possibly can to get lo that party. II is a great social event. We have some good people
sponsoring II. I would like to request that the City of Englewood be a sponsor for th~ holiday party and I'd like to
request $1 ,000.00 . We do have over $5 ,000.00 in our budget for the Chamber that we have not spent yet th is
year, so there is still money thare . I checked . Mayor Woodward sa id just to clarify that. There was $2 ,500 .00
for the Taste of Englewood , which was Englewood Days, which last year and the year before was Englewood
Days . And then there was an additional $2 ,500 .00 for seNlce awards. Council Member Penn said I th ink this
would help, not only just the Chamber, but it will help the whole community of Englewood . We get people
together, get them networking.
COUNCIL MEMBER PENN MOVED, AND COUNCIL MEMBER McCASLIN SECONDED, TO DONATE
$1,000 .00 TO THE ENGLEWOOD CHAMBER OF COMMERCE HOLIDAY PARTY.
Mayor Woodward asked if there was any discu ssion .
Council Member Jefferson said what was it Y°'' sa id? Mayor Woodward repliP.d $2,500 .00 that was not spent
for the Taste of Englewood , that was Englewood Days and then another $2 ,50\l 00 that was appropriated by
City Council out of the City Council's budget. ,. was not expended and the other one is for the seNice awards,
wh ich happens at the gala . Council Member Pr nn said but the gala ... we did not do the gala . We will be doing
a gala in 2009 though . Council Member Jefferson said I think ii is important for us to su pport it and have a
successful event.
Mayor Woodward said I want 10 stress what Randy said. This isn't just for Chamber members this year . Th is
Christmas party is for all of the business community with ,n Englewood . I hope, maybe , if possible , 'Ne could
even put it on the website as the Englewood bus iness Christmas party.
Mayor Woodward said is there any ot he r d iscussion on the motion?
Council Member Mccaslin said again , I would like to see that we are includ ing all of Eng lewood . I appreci ate
that.
Vote results :
Motio n carried .
Ayes: Council Members Penn , Mccaslin , Moore, Woodward , Jefferson ,
Wilson , Oakley
Nays: None
(ii) Council Member Mccaslin:
1. He said I worked last Saturday, two Saturdays ago , at the Leaf and Tire Round -up , the last day and ii
was huge. If ii Is as big as ii was this year, next year, we are go ing to need more voluntee,s . There was like
fou r of us. We had a mountain. II was so high . II took us five hours to move it and I guess, KEB , even after the
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• . . . d . h S truck lelt ... he lelt around 4 :30 p.m .. there was still people bnng,ng them an dum ping t em on the lot. o,
Community Development had to go get another dump truck , lhe next dav . It was huge . I am going to be ask ing
for al l of your support next ye ar. Thank you .
2. He sa id I do want to send my condolences lo lhe Code offi cer, and I don 't know how we can do lh is, to
th e City of Aurora . Be ing on Code Enforcement and knowing how tough that j ob is, that we don't realize . I ju st
wish that there was a way that we cou ld send ou r condolences to the City of Aurora . Wha t hapoened was ve ry
trag ic , lhat someone in the ir line of duty ... it was sad , a very sad th ing .
City Manager Sears sa id, in talk in g with Ch ief Vandermee , we are send ing the Code Enforcement people to the
funeral , along wit h two of our sworn officers . I know we 've been in contact with them over there . Maybe Depu ty
Chief Coll ins could relay ti ,at. Ch ief Colli ns is there anything thee you want to add to that comment? City
Manager Sears continued that I know that we 've hao our own people meet with ou r victi m's assistance pe~ple
and within the police department to disc uss altem oiives assoc iate~ with whure we are and how we approa cll
th ings . He sa id Ch ief if you would like to aJd •nylhing .
Deputy Chief Collins said I agree with you and you are correct. There are a number of people attend ing the
funeral tomorrow. We addressed the issue with the Code officers the first thing the next morn l11g alter the
inc ident, because we anticipated , and correctly so , that they were emot io nally upset over it. They rai t ed some
concerns about what can happen to us . So we will sit down and address th ose concerns and see wha t we can
come up with . Council Membe r Mccaslin sa id I apprec iate that ... thank you so much .
3. He sa id I also attended the Fall Fl ing and spent qu ite a lot of money , j ust to he lp the school district.
Thank you for showing up Gary , Jim , Jill and Randy . We, and I'm say ing that because my wife 's part of the
adm inistration , and it really helps the school district. So thank you very much . Counc il Member Pen n said I
• bel ieve they gav e out $96,000.00 last year to students and teachers .
(iii) Council Member Wilson :
1. She said the party for the foundation was very nice on Saturday .
2. She sa id I also attended Strings Attached and it was excellent. They had twice as many people ... they
had set up cha irs , I believe , for 250 people and over 400 people came . You had parents dancing . You had
brothers and sisters dancin g. The mus ic was great. People had food . They were sell ing I-shirts. Very well
attended . Lots of pictures ... parents taking pictu res . I wa s talk ing wit h Sean , the superintendent , and it was
tru ly, significant...of being part of the commun ity ... working together , doing someth ing fun and the families were
involved . I really enjoyed it.
(iv) Council Member Jefferson :
1. He said I ju st want ed to again congratulate the artists , and co ng ratula te Lei gh Ann for doing a great job
on th is calenda r. It doe s just seem to continuously imp rove and this is ju st fantast ic. It gets a lot of inform ation
out there .
2. He said to Doug , nope fu lly we can work on do ing something fo r the 100 year ann iversary . It 's a long
time lo be in our community . I appreciate your co mme nts on th e 50 foot and Board of Adjustment and Appeals .
Hopefu lly , we can consider those as we go foiward .
3. He sa id Jerry, I th ink you are right on about Flood Midd le School. I th ink the board is well aware and
trying to make sure that they do the ri ght th ing for the City and get someth ing that will generate some money for
the City there .
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4. He sa id Matthew, I would agree that generally our pub lic comments system maybe can be re -evaluated .
I think that Bob , you had made some comments that maybe this kind of concerns you as well . Perhaps we can
throw that into a Study Session , in the future, where we can discuss how we can be a little more
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accommodating to some people who come in and try to have a conversation with us and may be turned off by
the fact tha t they may have to wa it a cou ple of hours .
13 . City Manager's Report
(a) City Manager Sears sa id I just wanted to rem ind Council that we are doing Engle wood Sh 'nes .
Carol McGulgan is working away on that with the tree lighting . We will be giving you more informat,on, 310 110
with our staff, about that evening and the activities that will be associated with that. Mike , is there anythio1g tha l
you would like lo add?
Depucy City Manager Flaherty said ii will be on Saturday , December e• and I think lhe start lime for the ,,vents
is around 4:30 , with lhe lighting and the fireworks al the end of the event, approximately 6:00 . Aga in w·, will
have , as Gary sa id, additional information on that prior to ... probably in your pac kets this wee k.
14. City Attornay'a Report
City Attomey Brotzman did nol have any matte rs lo bring before Counc il.
15. Adjournment
The meeting adjourned al 8:49 p.m.
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