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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2003-10-20 (Regular) Meeting Minutes• • • ENGLEWOOD CITY COUNCIL ENGL EWOOD, ARAPAHOE COUNTY, COLORADO Regul ar Session October 20, 200J I. Call to Order The regular meeting of the Engle wood City Co un cil was ca ll ed 10 order by Mayor Brndshaw at 7:3 3 p.m. 2. In vo .tlon The in voca tion was given by Council Memt:ier Nabholz. 3. Pledge of Allegiance The Pledge of All eg iance was led by Mayor BradsbaY: 4 . Roll Cail Prese nt : Absent: A quorum was present. Also present: 5. Minutes Coun ci l Members Nab holz, Moore, Grazulis, Garrett, Wolosyn, Bradshaw Council Member Yurchick Cit" Manager Sears City Attorney Brotz man Assistant City Manager Flaherty City Clerk Elli s Director Gryglewicz , Finance and Admini strative Services Dirccl or Ol so n. Safet y Services ' ' COUNCIL MEMBER NABHOLZ MOVED, AND IT WAS SECONDED, TO APPR 0 HE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF OCTOBER 6, 2003. Ma yo r Brad shaw asked if there were any corrections or additions. There we re none . Vote results: Ayes: Nays: Absent: Moti on carr ied. 6. Sc heduled Visitors Counci l Members Nabh olz, Moo re, Garren, Wolosyn, Grazuli s, Brad shaw None Council Member Yurchick (n) Marr Bas sett, 3026 Sout h Shl!rman S1ree1, said the rea so n I am here is to rep resc nl and to talk aboul the Bales Logan dog park . And . specifically , what wen1 on 1wo weeks ago, regarding the removal oflhc off-leash pri vileges . Basically, because I have bc-.cn to sever JI of1hcse Co uncil meetings where both si de s have pre sented their iss ues. I fell I was seei ng a lot of the sa me peo ple . Wh at I didn't sec £nglcwood City Council October 20, 2003 Page 2 happe ning . wa s a IOI of cons!P l.:li vc dial og. Wh at I \\JS seeing \\as a 101 of peop le ~t;11ing 1hcir rn sc and then :,ming dow n. but there was no co nmucti\'c di alog go ing on. Thi s got me 10 thin king 1ha1. perhap s. what wen t on two week s ago. was a rcncc li on of a small gro up of pe uple I Jthcr 1h:111 a whole group <"i' ?Cople. especiall y the co mmu nily . I c:an speak only for my:,elf in that I fel t th at the p:1 rk was a wo nd erful benefit to th e co mmunity. and all owcd me to 1,1ee1 a lot of my neig hbors. I fe ll tha t wh en it was uff-h::i sh. I got a chance 10 meet and communicate a lot of what was goi ng on in the nei ghbo rhood with my community . I be came a litt le more refl ecti \'C and yo u will ha ve 10 bear wi th me . My background,~ leac hing a nd bu siness. so yo u arc going 10 sec so me busines s th in~, a nd s:>mc leac hi ng thin gs . I jus1 got th rougl, go1 1g to a mee1in g where peop le were rencctivc and I ~J I to thinkin g. ma ybe it was time 10 get re fl ec tive of the deci sion tha 1 was made and 10 loo k at the core issue s of wha1 reall y was going on. And, al so gel a chance to talk 10 .xople in the neighborhood about their thoug ht s and fcclings ... to talk to th ose who aren't rcprc sc n1ed in 1hese Counc il me .... in gs. So, lherc are many th ins s I did . First, and forem os t. I got a chance to sit and talk wit h some of my neighbors regarding this issue and lhc deci sion. The thin gs th at we came up wit h, arc 1hat there arc many so luti ons that cc:uld have been in place. to talk ab<Jut Bates Loga n off-lea sh. In parti c ul ar. wha t were 1hc causes or the decisio n to remove the off-lea sh pri vile ges . beca use this is a park that ha s been off-leas h for several yea~. In talking 10 my neig hbo rs, what I came away with , is th at it had go nen too crowded. Nol onl y had go nen too crowded, it had go ncn too cro wded at a cena in time of th e da y. especiall y when childre n ·,,·ere present. Man y or my neighbors came bark to me and talked to 1111: regarding 1hi s, and sai d that their biggcsl concern at the time. was making sure there was a tim e for off.Jc ;,.s h, th a1 1here was a 1ime fo r 1hem 10 ut ilize the park. but also th at th ere was a time tha t th e park wou ld be spent fo r ot her •hin gs as we ll , th i11 th e pa rk wo uld be beli er u1 ili zed . I gm to talking and conve rsing wi th th em. a nd l rLJlly got so me feedback on some of 1hc co nce rn s they we re hav in g as we ll as my ow n ... e,;p,-cia ll y in th e last two weeks . I jus1 wa nted to share some of th ese co nc~ms. The bi£gest concern is that the park is now e mpt y. Wh ere the park had , at one poi nt , bee n full and th ere had been a 101 of people util iz in g the park. now th ere arc very few peop le who utili ze the park an d for th e most pa rt they use it in the afternoon or 1he eve nin gs. Thi s park is. ~,r the mo st part , em pt y. Something th at 1 fe lt was a mi suse of a co mmunity in ves tment. This is 1hc bu:,incs s si de or me comi ng out. Es sent iall y say in g. that here is so mething we arc invest in g our time, our money and 011r Englewood Park s and Rec rea tio n people 10 keep thi s place beau tifu l. and ye t. it was remaining emp ty since thi s off.leash iss ue was t1lked about a nd th e park beca me on-leash. The ot her concern 1ha1 was vo iced to me . was th al there were many soluti ons to so lvi ng a parti c ular iss ue . in this case. that th e park was ove r utili zed al a cerlai n tim e of th e day a nd lh al these iss ues were n't di sc ussed. Rather, ii w:-;j ust 1 qu ick on-or-off swi1ch type iss ue , that there was n't an actua l si t-down and let's discu ss th e iss ues in a co nstructi\'c man ner, from bo th si des. I felt 1ha1 there needed 10 be a 1ime where bo th sides could quietly pres enl their argumenl.i and disc uss it rather th an co min g up. givi ng just one poi nt of view and !hen si tung down . So, th ese we re so me of th e conce rn s th at we re comi ng up . And agai n, what was the problem '! We were see ing th at the biggest prob lem wa s th at there we re cer1ai n tim es of the da y where the park was ex tensive ly used, and almos t to an ex treme. For instance. !here we :c time s, and I will ha ve to adr,1it. 1hr.t !h ere were mo re dogs the re th an th · p:trk i.:ou ld pro~ab ly holJ . I asked my ""eig hbors. and I act uall y roll ed a lot of my neig hbors in the ne ighbor hood. and I a!.kr;d some 01he r people as we ll to do th e s:tm c 1hir1g. We all go t toge ther al my house to talk. \Ve wa nted 10 po ll the neigh bor hood to see wha t th eir fee lin gs were towa rds th e park and an)' so lu1i ons that wo uld come to mind. I have thcs·· peti1ions, she said . We actua ll y had a chance to 1alk to ove r 84 people in and arn und 1he pa rk. Out of 1hose, we had 77 who wanted so me sort of off-leas h area in 1heir co mm un i1y. Kee p in min d th a1 I kepi ii. usunll y. wi thin ab out three block s of the park . We rc :dl y didn't go mu ch rurlh cr 1han 1ha1, though a couple people slipped th ei r na mes in that we re a linle furthe r off. bu t we allowed them to voice their opini on. becau se we fe lt that it was im po rtant. The ma in co nsen sus wa s. th at yes. they wan ted some rnrt of off-leash area at Bates Log an. Fencing wa s di scu ss ed .ind licen ~i ng was another iss ue th at ~umeon c was di sc uss in g. We al,!'! considered look ing al how 1h ,11 park was u1ili zed and ·11 what time . Obviou sly, it loo ked lik e in th e afl eu ·•,;n and eve nin g wa s th e time th at th e soccer peop le were comin g and thi s wa s th e lime th :11 the childrc:i \\r.1..: co ming from Afle r School 10 use !he park . Ma ybe that wou ld be the ti me sc i aside for on-leash a nd . the mornin g. s:iy fro m ahnt:: ::..~ to 9:00. th:i t wo uld he an off-lea sh time . It wou ld be a good ti me to bu •. J th e comm urily 1hr..iug h the dug ,.eo ple in the i.:o mmunit y who wa nted so me off -leu -.,h time fo r th eir dng and w me soc iali1.uti o11 . Also, ti .at wou ld be th e time , th at those • • Englewood City Co un cil Oclobcr 20, 2003 roge 3 peo ple who were more concerned abou t th e dogs be in g off-lea sh. co ul d set a!i ide and nol go to th e park . I did some quick numbcrs ... agai n this is my busine ss side ... and if Ba tes Logan wn s an off-leash park, say fr om 6:00 10 9:00. tha t wo uld be a 1otal of 2 1 hou rs in an ent ire week. If yo u figure the park is ope n 16 hours a day , th at is onl y 18 pe r ce nt of the enti re park usage. So it rea ll y isn't that mu ch th ey are asking fo r. yet yo u ha ve 10 loo k at the co mmun ity inve stm ent 1ha t yo u are making . By ha ving a tim e for these peop le to meet, to gree t and to ha ve th eir dogs soc ialize and for th em 10 soc ia li ze, yo u are ac tu all y mu kin g th at park work for th e communit y. The other thing I wan ted 10 br ing up th at did come across from th e group, is th at th ey felt th at thi s wa s an iss ue th at had been brewi ng over seve ra l month s, that ove r seve ral mor.ths thi !i issue had grown . I ha ve ~en to many of the se Cou nci l meeting s, where di fferent peop le ha ve co me up and said th ei r piece and explained their issue and how th ey are fo r or agai nst it, and you have heard a lot of these stories. Something that has happened, that has tal.:en three to fo ur months to brew, wo n't be completely reso lved in a very short peri od of tim e. There needs to be some cons 1ruc1i ve di alog ue on bo th sides . With th at in mind , I'm also co nce rned about my communit y. I am conce rn ed th at by nol having so me off-lea sh time in our co mmunit y durin g thi s constructi ve time. lhat we are goi ng to lose an in vestm e nt that has occ urred over the las t two years in bringing our co mmunit y members toge the r. So, whBI I am propos ing 10 the Council is a short -term way th at we can bring off•leas h back, by havi ng thi s mornin g time and then take time to reall y sit down with co nstructive dialogue and see some other op ti ons !hat were proposed, especially , when we were talking with th e neighbo rh ood ... wheth er it be fencing, whet her it be to look at when th e park is used. For in stance, in the middle of Janu ary when it is 20 de grees outs ide ... that might be a tim e when we could extend off-lea sh time , because that is th e time th ey wo uld probably use the park ll;i opposed to somebody who is co min g there fo r a pic nic . It proba bly wouldn't be a picnic da y in the park in lh e middle of January . So 1h01 is a questi on of ours . The main thin g I want to get down to is that this discu: ,ion really and trul y needs 10 take place. We need to bring people in the neighborhood together to :alk about it. I am hoping that the Co uncil will consider what I hove brought forth today nnct th at we can find a construct i\'C so lutio n to hiing our co mmuni ty bock together again. • beca use it ha s not happened ye t and it needs to. • Mayor Bradshaw thanked Ms. Bassett . 7. Unsc heduled Visitors a) Kath y DiMnrco, 70 1 Ea st Bates Ave nue, said I am here thi s evening to di sc uss and th ank you fo r yo ur deci sion at the las t Co unci l meeti ng regarding Bates Loga n Park . So, members of Cit y Council am! Mada me Ma yo r. Ll)ank you once again fo r the oppo rtuni1 y to ad dress the Co un cil. Firs t of all , I wa nt to say thank you for the decision to place the dogs. at Bat es Loga n Park . back on thei r lea she s. Your decisio n has made it possible fo r fu milie s to sa fel y return to their neighbo rhood park . Many of my neighbo rs have told me how ni c~ it is to vis it the park aga in . Every time we visit, or jusi dri ve by, I am happy to see the children playi ng in the playgro und. agai n. The kids arc shooting hoo ps once more and there arc lots of kids on the soccer fi eld . I hav e also noti ced many an errant d1Jg whose owne r just does n't ge t it , and thin ks the y are getting away wit h so mething by allowing their dogs to run loose 1hrough the park . 1 know there are many dog owners who arc unh appy with thi s deci sion and I wou ld challc ng! them to understand that thi s is not a de fea t for th em. It is an opportunity fo r them 10 look for an app ropriate loca ti on for a real dog pa rk . Th at is not the family park at Bates Loga n. I fee l compe ll ed lo remind them that it is not just my opi ni on that dogs should be kept on leases in public pl aces, but it is the opi ni on 01 th e America n Ke nne l Club, th e Hum ane Socie ty, th e Dum b Friends Leag ue , The American Soc iety of Plastic Surgeo ns. the Cent ers for Disea se Co ntro l and the Am rrico n Acade my of Emergency Medicine . Th e deci sio n to leash the dogs at Bal es Logan Park is so mething that needed to happen to kee p our child ren sa fe . As mu ch as you core for your dogs. all dogs can b te. And , nobody , especiall y a child , should hav e to endure the ph ys ic al or emotional tra uma assoc iated wi t!. a preventable dog bile . 1 know th ey be li eve their dogs are well be ha \'ed and I know they believe th ey ho ve th em under control, bu1 the tru th is, they are onl y as urider contro l as the dogs allow them to be. There arc seatbelt law s, there are laws regarding the remova l of snow from sidewa lk s. and th ere arc many laws designed and ill pl ace fo r th e safety and we lfa re of the citi zens. K\!eping dogs on leas hes in publi c pl aces is one of those la ws. All owing dogs off•lea sh fr om 6:00 Englewood C ity Council October 20 , 2003 Pag e -' 10 9:00 is no 1 a Fea sible com prom is e. II is 1ellin g children no110 pla y soccer unt il aft er 9:00 . It is tellin g paren ts th at th e pa rk is n't safe for e:1rl y mornin g play at the playgro un d. 6:00 10 9:00 is too ea rl y for me and my neig hbors to ha ve to de al with bark mg dogs and doi;lights. There is not a good tim e 10 have dogs off.leash at Bate s Loga n. It is not a matter of co mp romi se. it is a ma tt er of safety . What dog owners wan t, is to be ab le to all ow the ir dugs to run wi ld . Th :mk you for understanding 1hat what th ey wa nt dircc:tl y impedes upon th e safety of th e commun ity. What th ey need is a dog park . T hey need a pla ce tha t is large enough to hand le the po pu lati on of dogs that ove rran Bate s Loga n. A dog park should have cn out;h spa c:e for a dog run . It sho uld have adcq ua1 c waste a nd wa ter fa ciliti es . It shou ld be ab le to accommodate lar ge and small dogs. And most of all. it should be u place where child re n, and oth ers who do not want to be approac hed by off.leash dogs, are sc para1.ed by a fe nce high e r.ough to co nt ain th e dogs. Ba tes Loga n Par k is a fami ly park. II is not appropriate. sa fe or wise to all ow off.leas h dogs th ere . Thank yo u again fo r yo ur dec isio n. It was u good deci sion. It was th e right decisio n and it continues 10 be th e only de cision app ro priate for Bates Loga n Park . Good lu ck. as yo 11 mu st co ntinue to defend th e safe 1y of th e citi ze ns of En glewood. Stand by yo ur deci sion and do not let our pa rk go back to the dogs . Th ank yo u for yo ur tim e. b) Dave Be rt sc h. 32 01 South Elati Stree t, sa id I am here to call att enti on to Cushing Park . I li \'e a co upl e of bl ocks awa y fr om th e park a nd I ha ve bee n seeing an increase in crim e. trash. kid s ru nnin g up .ind dow n the street. barre lin g throu gh o ur neig hborh ood, to ge t down to the pa rk . A co upl e of my neighbo rs and I attend ed th e Parks and Re creat io n mee tin g at the beginning of October a nd I ha ve n·, gotten a response fro m 1hem ye t. That is wh y we are here 10 vo ice our opini on tonight and make yo u guys awa re of th e pro bl ems th al we arc seei ng in our nei ghbo rh ood. There is a ska1 e par k dow n at Cushing Park and I understand that it is open fr om dawn to du sk. Howe ver. the park sta ys open. cu~• · · Park itself, slays ope n until I I o'cloc k at night. My neigh bo rs and I reall y kind of see 1his asa p, .,. We fee l the re is nothin g produ c1ive go ing on down at the park after dark. Many time s. we have see n poli ce offi cers running up and dow n th e stre et , quite rapid ly. af1er dark . fr om 1hings go in g on down 1here. There are no li ghts ... no real li ghts ... fo r orga ni zed activiti es such as socc er games, base ball ga me s. or what ha ve you . If th ere were organized act ivi ti es goi ng on down there. then our view s would be a littl e bit different. But , we fee l that it is kid s go in g dow n 1here ra isin g Ca in . I don't know ex actl y when it hap pe ned , but on Suri.fa y we saw a bun ch of th e trash bmels down th ere fl oating in the little pond. I. myse lf, saw trash bar.els d1 1m pcd ove r and just strewn abo ut th e par k. I don't know how it happen s, but a lot o~ the wind ca rri es th at slrai ~ht up the stre et and right into my yard . I am ge uin g rea ll y sick and 1ired of pi ckin g tra sh up fr om my yud. as well as ge lling sluff stolen fr om my shed. Betwee n my tru ck gett in g ransac ked and stuff gett ing :,10\cn ou t of my shed, it has cosi me about $600.00 in the las t yea r. One of my neighbors had a purebred boxe r pu ppy stolen o ut of hi s ya rd recently . Anoth er nei ghbor, wi thin th e last co upl e of years. has had so me va ndali sm at his place . '!'h ere is graffit i happening . It is all brin ging crime to our nei ghbor hood. I've got neighbors that wi ll not let their kid s go dow n to the park unsupervised du e to so me of 1he ac1i vi1i es that are going on dow n th ere. I. myse lf. have not reall y see n any drug traffi cking . nor wo uld I rea ll y eve n kn ow what lhat is, but 1 am s ure it is go ing on dow n th ere . There was a po li ce relat ed shoal in g dow n there a co uple mon1h s :igo. as we ll . I had j ust wa lk ed my dog down at the pa rk , abo ut a mont h ago, ar.d saw some kid s rac ing up and down the stree ts and I had a wo rd with lh em. I th en 1hough1 twice about hav in g a wo rd with th em, because the y knew where I lived . There arc quite a lot of ki ds th at hang out in gro up s dow n there . I don't fee l safe exprcs~in g to them th at th ey need 10 slow dow n th ro ugh my neighborhoc d a nd 1hen the y wo uld know wh ere I li ve. I am afraid of rela li atio n. I take my dog do wn there oft e n. beca use it is right by my house . I was down :here last we ek. as a maltcr of fa ct, an d I ,.,aw th ese two li u lc kid s racin g off on tl·,cir bikes ... "gel out of here, get out of here" ... a nd lherc was a dan of kid s cha~in g them. About ten minut es later, the kid 's fa th er ca me dow n and was defcding his ~o n. It is a bad thin g to have that park op en :u'l er dark. Th e Parks and Recrea ti on Depa rtm e nt sa,d 1hey review crime s1a1i s1i cs fro m that park. I think , eve ry summ er. I wou ld enco ura ge them to go within ;1 live •bl oc k radiu s aro und th e p:irk . They mi gln not be ca1 chin g crim e that is happenin g at th e park in our neighbo rhood. Mayor Brad sha w thank ed Mr . Bert sc h. • • • Englewood City Council October 20, 2003 Pa geS c) John Gris wold . 3202 So uth Fox Street , sai d th ank yo u very mu ch for your time lo ni g ht. We apprecia te it. I ov erh eard in the mcc tinJ? ""l.l door ... wc we re actually co ming here. bu t wound up over therc ... and I heard the word s community pn de and improvement in spiri t. I thin k all or us. my neig hbors here tonight, have made huge co ntributi ons tu the value of our propcny, bot h financia l and the work we put int o it. No ne of us wan t 10 move . I think we 111 do hil vc pride in our h, 11es. On the way down here toni ght , going pa st th e park Da vid was spcaklng of, we we re passed by .. .;pced in g Bro nco that was probably go in g 40 mile s pe r hour . It tears down the all ey. dust ki cking up and I kn ow tha t right up th e alle y is a little kid ve ry cl ose on his tricycle , I think.just to ki nd of build a littl e bit on what he is talking abou t, we hea rd fr om a reputable source th!lt the po lice and fire budget s have bee n slashed , in fav or of artistic improve men ts, whic h I fully support. I think we also know when we clo grow as a communit y, we have to look at exi sting infrastru ctures and be able to sup pon the growth that someti mes come s along wi th those things . All my nei ghbo rs have suffered some fo rm of vandalism and theft and/or so me ki nd of a cri me rel ated inci dent ... poss ibly kid s hig h or bo red or ~J mething , I don't know who throws trash cans in a po nd , bu t most older people don't. So, anywa y. I will make thi s short . I just wa nt ed everyo ne to look at po ssi bly bo lsteri ng th e po lice and fir e a littl e bit more and supponing them. If it is a matt er of money, I think if we stuck a radar gun and : cop nex t to Eas tman and Fox, you wou ld be ab le to cover just about any costs. Thank yo 1 very mu ch fo r : 1ur time, I ap preciate it. Mayor Bradshaw thanked Mr. Gri swo ld . d) Bruc e Gell er , 3155 South Elati Street , sai d I just wan ted to take th is opport unity, before thi s current Council's term ends. to express my th anks to Council Member Nabholz for li stening to me .i nd 1;i lk.ing wi th me over the years about thin gs in our ncit,hborhood that I coul d not control. I am sorry 10 see her leave the Counci l and if I could vote for her agai n, I would . Thanks Ann. • Council M:mber Nabholz sai d Uumk yo u Bru ce. th at was though1ful. ....... • Mayo r Brad shaw said Mr . Gri swold , we t-ave n't laid off po li ce and fire. Mr. Griswo ld rep lied th at ac tu :i lly is wir ,i I have bee n hearing fro m seve ral different sources . Mayor Bradshaw sa id I know so me of the candtOa tcs have been sayi ng that, but we have not laid off police and fire . Mr. Gri swo ld sa id are you sayi ng fire and poli ce pe rsonnel is ri ght where it was five years ago? Ma yo r Brad shaw asked Director Ol son if he wo uld respo nd to th at. Director Ols on said we arc below where we were £1vc years ago if yo u just loo k stat istica ll y at th at and budget is related to a lot of that. We ha ve h:id a lot of specia lized unit s out there ... like the Im pa ct Team , th e Traffic Team and so fo nh. :ind we hi ve had to cul back on some of th at just to suppo rt our patro l activitie s. We have tried to kee p them at the strength th at we 1t.:nk is comfo rtab le. whic h is usuall y betwe en 33 and 36 offi ce rs. But based or fivc: yea.rs ago. we :ire be low tha t number. We arc attempt in g to keep the activity level s up to where the y ~hould be. We know there :i re a lot of concern.: out there about the number of office rs on th e street. and th ai v .... ie s. Righ i now we have seve ral people tha1 ri re injured, on long-term di sabi litie s, and so fon h. It is j11s 1 tough to replace those peop le at thi s poin t in 'Jmc. lt is a real varyi ng stati stic, but I guess I would have 10 say .just from fi ve yea rs ago , 1ha1 we probably would be be low that numbe r at thi s point in time . Mr . Gris wo lo satd I was jusl wondering if you we re goin g to be hi rin g. Mayo r Brad shaw said the head tax wou ld help . Mi. Olso n said please vote . Vo1e for the head tax , thal will help. Mayor Bradshaw sairl absolut ely. c) L. Samlerso n, 4000 South Acoma Street. said I am here to exp ress my concern abou t the Sou th Broadway Plan. being a home owner and law abidi ng. very proud Englewood citize n fo r ac1uall y 13 years ... not at the !lame re sidence . I own a home thal was built in 1926 and I am ve ry conce rned thal thi s is Englew oo d Clly Co un,·il October 20, 2003 Puge 6 go in g to he one of !h e una11ra1.:u vc. m1i,;fit home s that j3n'1 going 10 fit in with th e South Broa dway Pla n. That j3 :111. she s:ud . May01 Brad sha w said have you 1111 cndcd the forum s on 1he South Broadwa y Plan ? Ms. Sa ndc1:M.1 n rl!plied I hadn 't hc urd about th em until 1 gut the fl ye r on my fron t doo r. Ma yor Brad shaw said we ll the thi ng is, the So uth Broa dway Plan is for just tha!. South Broadway . Ms . Sanderson said not the propertie s that arc a block away? Ma yo r Brad shaw said no . 8. Com .nunicu ll ons, Pr oclumn lio ns and Appointm ents There we re no communica1ions . proc lamatio ns or appo intments. 9. Publi c He ari ng No public hearing was sc hedul ed before Council. 10. Co nse nt Age nda (a) Approva l of Ord ina nres on Fi rst Readin g Th ere were no additi ona l items subm itt ed fo r approva l on fir st readi ng. (See Agenda It em 11 -Reg ular Agenda .) (b) Approval of Ordi nances on Second Reading COUNC IL MEMBER GARRETT MOVED, AND IT WA S SECONDED, TO APPROV E CONSE NT AGEN DA ITEMS JO (b) (I), (ii), (i ii ) and (iv) ON SECOND READING . (i) ORD INANCE NO . 69 , SERIES OF 2003 (CO UNCIL BILL NO . 67, INTRODIJCED BY COUNC IL MEMBER GARRETT) AN ORD INANCE AUTHORIZING THE EXTENS ION OF A LEASE AGRHMENT BETWEEN ABC. INC ., THE CITY OF ENGLEWOO D AND THE CIT Y OF LITTLETON . (ii) ORDINANCE NO . 70, SERIES OF 2003 (CO UNC IL BILL NO. 68, INTRODUCED BY COUNC IL MEMBER GARRETT) AN ORDINAN CE APPROV ING AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT AND IND EMNIT Y AGREEMENT PERTA INING TO THE CONSTRUCT ION OF A PORCH LOCATED AT 293 1 SOUT H IV ASH INGTON ENC ROACH ING 25 FEET INTO THE REQUIRED FRONT SET BA CK AND APPROX IMATELY 1.2 FEET INTO THE PUBLI C RIGHT -OF-WAY . (ii i) ORD INA NC E NO. 71. SER IES OF 2003 (COUNC IL BILL NO . 69, INTRODUCED BY COUNC IL MEMBER GARRETT) AN ORD INANCE AMEND ING TITLE 11. CHAPTER 3. SECTIO N 4 . OF TH E ENGLE WOOD MUN ICIPAL CODE 2000, PER TA INING TO ENCROAC HM EN TS INTO TH E PUBLI C RIGHT -OF · WAY . (iv) ORD INANCE NO. 72, SER IE S OF 2003 (COU NCIL BILL NO . 70, INTRODUCED BY COUNC IL MEMBER GARRETT) • • • • • • Englewood City Council Oclobcr 20, 2003 Page 7 AN ORDINA CE FOR APPROVAL OF A CO STR UCT ION EASEMENT AND LIC'ENSE AGREEMENT FOR Tl-IE FIR ST Cl-llJRC li OF CHR IST . SCIENT IST AT 3701 S. LOGAN STREET. ENGLEWOOD. CO LORADO Mayor Brad sh;rn asked ,f 1here were any comments or di sc us),,ion. There \\ere none . Vote rcsu lls: Ayes : Council Members Nabholz.. t\foore. Garrell. Wo losyn. Grazulis, Br adshaw Nays: Ab sent : Co un c il Me mber Yurc hi ck Mm ion ca rried . (c) Re soluti o ns and Mo1ions There were no additional resoluti ons or mmions. (See Age nd a It em 11 -Regular Agenda .) 11. Regular Agenda (a) App roval o f Ordinances o n Firs! Reading (i) Direuor Gryglewicz presen1ed a recommenda1ion from the Depanment of Finance and Admi nistrati ve Services to amend the bill fo. an ordinance adoptin g the 2004 Budget fo r 1he City of Englewood and to approve the ordina nce on first reading. He said the council bill before you approves the 2004 Budge! fo r the City of Englewood. Also yo u have a moti o n before yo u maki ng changes to the budget that was continued unti 1 1oni ght. I would like to make one comment. he said . because I be lieve one oth er addition has 10 be mad e to the mo1io n, and that is for the General Fund to change the beginning Fund Balance From S5.145,3J 1.00 to $4,805.617 .00. And what lhat rcnects . is a possib le transfer to the Service nter Fund for a property pun:hase. That may or may not happen in 2003. II could happen in 2004 . But the Fund Balance wi ll remain at 10 per cent es1ima:cd for 2004. Ma yor Bradsha w sa id whi ch is wha1 we asked you for, 10 gel more re al num ber~ and to ge t back to us. Mr. Gryglcwicz said th ese are th e solid numbe rs and Counci l wa s provided wi1 h the reco nciliation fro m the numbers that were pre se nt ed two weeks ago. The changes in thi s moti on arc 1he ac tual changes to the budget. Mayor Brnd shaw said docs th a1 include the money fnr the po sitions that we re reinstated? Director Gryglcwicz sai d yes. So. Mayor Bradshaw said. this includes the police and fire posi ti o ns that we put back in. Director Gryglewicz sa id it includes all the changes 1hat were made and recomm ended at the Bud ge t Ret reat. It al so includes th e 1ransfer of the possible propcny purcha se 10 1he Serviccnter and ii a lso renects the $402,000.00 transfer from the Capital Projects Fund . Yo u will sec th at the actual increase to 1hc Capi ta l Project s Fund from the Enterprise Fund, is actually more, bu1 onl y S402.000 .00 is being transferr ed to the Gener.al Fund . Ma yor Bradshaw sa id so. in essence, we have two different agenda it ems. We h:1 vc Coun cil llill 7~ and Council Bill 73 . You just expla ined both of them'! Mr. Gryglc.wkz said ari: yo u talking the .ippropriat io ns'! The appropriatio n is the actual le ga l authority 10 spend th e fund!-a nd there is also a moti {l n there 10 amend the Capi tal Projects Fund . Mayor Bradshaw said o kay. so we wi ll tak e th e se tw o items se parately . An y qucs1i u ns on Age nda It em 11 (a) (i). Co un ~il 81\1 No. 72 '! There were none . COUNCIL MEMBER GARRE17' ED, AND IT WAS SECONDED , TO APPROVE A GEN.DA ITEM 11 (a) (I)-COUNC IL BILL 1\v. 72 AS AMENDED BY COUNC IL COMMUNI C ATION DATED OCTOBER 20, 2003 AND FURTHER AMENDED BY THE VERBAL DELINIATION Of' THE CHANG E I N FUND BALANCE. Eng lewood City Council October 20, 2003 Pa ge 8 CO UNC IL BILL NO . 72 . INTROD UC ED BY COUN CIL ~-!EMB ER GARR E"JT A BILL FOR AN ORD INANCE t .DOPTING THE BUDGET OJ' THE CIT Y OF ENG LEW OOD . COLORADO. FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2004 . Ma yo r llrnd shaw said Frank. thank yo u so much fo r comin g back with thi s. Vot..• re sults: Moti on carried . Ayes: Nays: Absent : Co un ci l Members Nabholz, Moore . Gu rrcll , Woloi.y n, Gra zul is. Brnd shaw None Counci l Mcmbcr Yurchid: (ii) Director Gryg l..:w1u·. presented a recommendat io n fr om the Departm ent of Fin :i.ncc and Admini stra ti ve Service s 10 amend the bill fo r an ordin ance appropriating th e Cit y of Engl ewood's 2004 Budget and to approve the ordinanc~ on fir st read in g. He said thi s Ju st amend s th e spe nd ing and the only fund that was affected was th e Cupi tal Prcj ects Fu nd. COUNC IL MEMBER GRAZULIS MOVED, AND IT WAS SECONDED, TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 11 (a) (ii) -COUNC IL BI LL NO. 73 AS AMENDED. COUNC IL BILL NO . 73 . INTROD UCE D BY COUNC IL MEMBER GRAZULIS A BILL FOR AN ORDINANCE APPROPRIATING MONIES FOR ALL MU ICIP AL PURPOSES IN THE CITY OF ENGLEWOOD, COLORA DO. IN THE FISCAL YL , ~ BEGINN ING JANUA RY I. 2004. AN D ENDING DECE MBER 31. 2004. CONSTIT lITING WH . f IS TERMED THE ANNU AL APPROPRIAT ION BILL FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2004 . Vote results: Ayes: Na ys: Absent: Moti on ca rried. Co un cil Members Nabholz. Moo re. Garre ll . \V olos~1n. Grn zu lis. Brad shaw None Co uncil Membe r Yurchick (b) Approval of Ordinance s on Second Reading (i) Counci l 13il\ No . 7 1. approvin g th e 2003 Mill Lev y for c·oll cc1ion in 200-1 was co nsidered . COUN CIL MEMBER WOLOS\'N MOVED, AND IT WAS SECONDED, TO APPROVE AGEN DA ITEM 11 (b) (1)-0RDINANCE NO. 73 , SE RI ES Of2003. ORD INA NC E NO . 73. SER IES OF 200) (C O UNCIL BILL NO . 7 1. INTROD UC ED BY COUN CIL MEMll ER WOLOSYN) AN ORD INA NCE FIXING Tl-IE TAX LEVY IN MI LLS Ul'ON EA CH DOLLAR OF Tl·IE ASSESSED VALUA TI ON OF ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY \VITI-JIN Tl·IE CITY OF ENG LEWOOD. COLORADO . Vo te resu lts: Aye s: Coun cil Me mbe rs Nab hulz. Moo re, Garr et t, Wci losy n, • • • • • Englewoo d Ci Oct ober :!O , : Pugc 9 Mo1ion ca rried . Nays: Ab se n1: Gra7.ll lis. Brad shaw None Co uncil Member Yurchick (ii ) Cou ncil Bi ll No . 74. appro ving 1h e 2<>0.i Budge t for th e Littlcton/Entlc,,ood Wa s1e wa 1er Treatment Plant was consid ered . COUNC IL MEMBER GRAZUL IS MOVED, AND IT WAS SEC ONDED, TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 11 (b) (Ii)-ORDINANCE NO . 74 , SERIES OF 2003 . ORDINAN CE NO . 74 , SER IES OF 2003 (COUNC IL BIL L NO . 74 , INTRODUCE D BY COU NC IL MEMBER GRAZU LIS ) AN ORDINANCE ADOPT ING THE BUDGET FOR Tl-IE LITTLETO N/ENG LEWOO D WAST EWATE R TREATMENT PLANT FOR THE FI SCAL YEAR 2004 . Vote results: Moti on ca rried . Ayes: Na ys: Ab sent : Cou ncil Me mbe rs t--:. ·Ji:olz, Moore. Ga rrett , Wo losy n. Grazuli s. Brad shaw None Co uncil Member Yurchi d (i ii) Cou ncil Bill No. 75 . appro priating lh e 2004 Budgc1 for the Littl eton/Eng lewood Wastewa ter Trea tment Pl ant was consi dered . COUNCIL MEMBER WOLOSYN MOVED, AND IT WAS SECONDED , TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 11 (b) (iii) -ORDINANCE NO. 75, SERIES OF 2003 . ORD IN ANCE NO . 75, SE RI ES OF 2003 (COUN CIL BILL NO . 75. INTRODU CE D BY COUNC IL MEMBER GRAZ UI.I S) AN ORDINANCE APPROPR IATIN G MONIES FOR THE LI Tl'LETON/EN GLEIVOOD IV ASTEIV ATE R TREATMENT PLANT PURPO SES IN THE FISCAL YEAR BEG IN NING JAN UARY I. 2004, AND END ING DECE MB ER J I, 2004, CONST ITUT ING WH AT IS TERMEDT li E ANNUA L APP ROPR IATI ON BILL FO R THE FIS CA L YEAR 2004. Vote res ults: Ayes: Nays : Abse nt: Mo1ion carr ied. Co unci l Members Na bho lz, Moo re. Ga rrett . Wulosy n, Grazu li s. Brad shaw None Co uncil Membe r Yurc hi ck (c) Reso luti ons and Mo 1inns (i) A reco mm cnd.ili on fr om th e Depa rtm ent of Fi nance .ind Ad ministrative Services 10 ad opt a reso \u1i on tran sferrin g fund s from the Capi tal Projects f'und to the Genera l f'und wa s consid ered . COUNC IL MEMBER GRAZULIS MOVED, AND IT WAS SECONDED , TO APPROVE AGENDA IT EM 11 (c) (i) -RESOL UTION NO . 83, SER IES OF 2003 . Englew oo d Ci ry Council Vctobcr 20, 2003 Pag e 10 RESOLUT ION NO . 83. SERIES OF 2003 A RESOLUT ION TO TRANSFER FUNDS FROM THE CAP IT AL PROJE CTS FUN D (CPF) TO THE GENE RAL Fl.'ND FOR IBI S PROJECT LEASE PAY 1ENTS . Vote resul ts: Aye s: Na ys: Ab se nt Moti on carried . 12. General Discussion (a) Mayo r's C hoice Council Me mbers Nabhol?. Moore , Gam.m. Wo losy n. Grazu\is, Bradshaw None Coun cil Membe r Yurchick (i) Mayor Bradshaw sai d I just wan1ed 10 re mind you 1ha1 o ur family. in memory of m y mother, my father and my grand mother, ~urch:iscd a stained glass windo w 1ha1 depicts the Tui leries Gardens lhot was in E nglewood in the early l900's . It is now hanging in lhe library. It is beau1ifol. We wi ll ha ve the o ffi c ial ded icatio n in November. she said. (ii) Mayor Bradshaw sai~ as far as what Ms . Bossen has prcse n1 ed, I want to thank yo u fo r your efforts and your ratio nal vicw ... asking fo r 3 out of 24 hour.> is very reasonable. I do think th nt we need to get both factio ns together. I don't th ink that it can be my way o r yo ur way, I think it has 10 be our way a nd in the best interest of our citize ns. So al th i£ point. I am going 10 move th at we 1ry Ms . Bassen 's proposal at Bate s Logan Park. Council Member Wolosyn said you know we had thi s di S<.·ussion lasl week. whe re we were goi ng to step bac k a nd th ere are a couple of people in the communit y, who I rea ll y re spect. and I th ink 1hey will agree wi th this.bull wo uld rea ll y like 10 just talk to the m about it We did talk aboul that la sl week. Actuall y it was some of 1hcse ve ry peo ple who asked us to not ma ke decisions in thi s ma nner. Mayor Bradshaw sa id yes, I am just pulling ii o n the 1able , th en yo u peo pl e vo1e as yo u see fit. Council Member Wolosyn sai d correct me if I'm wro ng, but di dn 't we tal k about ha vin g a procedure to deal wit h 1h1 s. Did n't we agree to have a procedure? Counc il Member Ga1e11 said ii was n 't :! procedure. I thin k it wa s a recummcnda1io n. Ms. Wnl osyn said o ka y. Or. Mayor Bradshaw said. should we refer it to Parks and Recr :ation? Ms. Wolosyn sa id no I 11111·1 think we should refer i i to Parks and Rec. Counci l Member Garrett agreed with Ms. Wo losyn. Mayor Bradsha w said so. an yw ay, I mo,·e th at we try that fo r a month . MAYOR BRA DSHAW MOVED, AND IT WAS SECON DED, THAT WE TRY MS. BASSETT'S PROPOSAL AT BAT ES LOGAN PARK FOR A MONTH. Mayor Bradsha w asked if there was any discussion. Coun cil Me mbe r Nabholz said I lhink it wo uld be mce 1f Mike Yurchick we re here to ha,·c his input. • • • • • • Englewood City Council Oclobcr 20, 2003 Pogc II Co un ci l Me mbe r Wolosy n sa id 1hat I ca n tell yo u that if we vo te I will prnbab ly vote fo r thi s, bccau .!.c II is in th e spirit of whal I wan ted, if we are go in g 10 try i1 fo r a mo nth . Bui what arc you guys think ing ? Ma yor Brad shaw saiC: why don't we just all talk about it. Ms. Wolosy n said we arc supposed to be talk ing and not sw in gin g like a pendul um . Cou ncil Member Nab holz sai d I think it com promi ses how I voted two weeks ago. Lik e Mr . Garre ll sai d. no. it does n't need to be taken bac k to Park s and Rec . We started th is in January. Meeti ng, bot h wit h th e people who love 10 bring th ei r dogs 10 th e park , the people that liv e d ose to the park or blocks away that love the pnrk. We started on a co ld day in J;rnuar y tryi ng to cc,~c to a compromi se and here we arc at th e end of October and there has been no co mp ro mise, no willingness and that is when I sa ici enough is enough . I will not co mp romise my vo 1e. I stand vcl'y ti rrr1 1h 11 1 th ui •Ja rk is too sma ll to l,e a dog park , and I will not co mpromi se my vo te . Co un cil Member Garren said nobody ab stain ed f-rom thi s. I will vote for 11,;.: if :: ..:o mes back in a coupl e of weeks , because I th ink it is a rc nso nablc compromi se. It wa s one of th • .hi n!'S di sc ussed two weeks ago, that Parks and Rec was loo king J I. I think that there arc people here tha t "'--•d.1 ,;"'·-l:a bly oppose such a conce pt. Las t time I was not happy with the process. w~ ··~min peop le W!'!<.. ·1 '.;-• he n we voted on it , because th ey didn't know it was on the agenda . I didn 't think that was ia1 r, tl •',i. .j., ~w ise. l don't th ir.k it 1s fair to bring it up , in my view , tod ay . When we all should know that in two -...,·P.ks we may be voting on :1 co mpromi se. I think th at way everybody will have an oppo rtuni1~· to speak. Council Member Moo re sa id I do like the idea , t do like the pros pect of the compromise . ! think ii is so i 1ething to co nsider. I don't want to act too ha stily , so I vote 10 ge t it on thr ll6C nda ... tt• hav e Mike Yurchick back. It was det~rm ined that another co uncil member would he a bi;~111 at 1hc nzxt mee lin g. So Mayor Brad shaw sa id , you wo n't have a full Council either way . Co uncil Member Moo re said but I would ,;till ag ree . I would rath c, us make sure we are slow ly and methodi ca lly co nsi dering all of th e~e co mpromise issues . Ma yor Brad shaw sa id oka y. I would like to sec both grou ps ge t togeth er and brin g us proposa ls. That wo uld be 1he idea l thin g. I reall y th in k that we are a com munit y and I thin k that that co uld happen. Co un ci l Member Grazulis said I like the id ea of co mpro mise. and not know in g wh o is goi ng to be where . whe n. I wi ll go with waiting two weeks. but I 1hink maybe we need to vote on it at that time . I just don't wa nt to sec it di sappear ... from what I ha ve been workin g on al so. Mayor Brad shaw said my co ncern is two wrongs don't make a ri ght. And, yes , I am a dog owner , and I love my dogs and yes, I do control them and yes we do go to off-leash parks. We hav e bee n kno w11 to go to so me leas h parks on a ba J day. but my co nc ern is, we loo k away a rig ht fro m a ve ry small group of pe op le with that dec1 ,;;io n. My voting fo r that wa s sayin g, ge t it ove r, be done with ii and not actua ll y hearing fr om the co mmuo1i t:: th at thi s is a co mmunity eve nt . Thi s is so meth ing 1h:it helps sin gle peop le in that arc;; fee l sa fer and tt·•-S•; kinds of co nsiderations. So my co ncc rr• is. what har m wo uld it be to try it fo r a month . If th e co mmunity is not willing to ge t toge 1her wi th a co mpro mi se a nd we are go in g to be polari zcd ... dogs ... no dogs ... thc n 1he Co unci l need s to make a dcdsion. Now why not try a pi lot fo r a mo nth ? Co uncil Member Nab holz said I tho ught we had made a dc.:c ision two wee ks ago . So now we go back to Bates Loga n Park and 1akr down all the signs that say th is is no longer an off~leash park . So th en we put up sign s th at say .. .from th e hours fr om 7 a.m. 10 9 a.m. yo u cu n have yo ur dogs off-leas h . Englewood Cily Cou ncil Oclobcr 20, 2003 Page 12 Ma yor Bradshaw sa id th e issue wi th the morning thing. th at I th in k you will find out . is that 11 will wor k as the bi~ proliferati on of dogs came in the afternoon and eve ning . People would let their dogs off, th ey wo uld drop them off a bl oc k or two bloc ks awuy . and let them run to the park . 'rhi~ stops th e pro lifera ti on of the Denver dogs . I was talking to Council Pre side nt \Vedgewon h. Counc i! Member MacKenzie and Counci l Member Boigon on Thursday. I sai d you guys ha ve rea ll y messed up our Ci ty by nol puttin g in th e dog parks as you sai d yo u were going 10. I don't know 1hnt our re side nt s have to pa y that pri ce . I sa hJ when we have 60 dogs at P.ate s Logan Pa rk , that is scary. I've dri ve n up th ere and there were too ma ny dogs. I didn 't even let my dogs out. We wen t somewhere el se. That is very sca ry. But to depri ve so me of our c it izens of wha t th ey see us th ei r ri gh t as a ci tizen in Englewood, I think is wrong. I don't th ink 2 1 hours of o n-leash and 3 hours off-leash is that bad . Cv Jncil Member Nabholz sa id I wo uld like to go back 10 one of the commen ts th at I remember Counc il Membe r Yurch ii;k maki ng two weeks ago ... corrcct me if I am wrong ... number one is th at we have 5 and now thi s mak es 4 dog parks . Mayo r Brad shaw said we mi ght be down less. Ms. Nabholz said th at is what I'm sayi ng. I think I have tried to compro mi se, I've tri ed to li sten to both sides, I don't feel I made a ra sh decision or li stened to just th e minor;ty of dog ow ners.just the minor it y of property owners, j us t the minori ty of Denver dog people . I thin '.: the park is too small , period. I won't comment agai n. Co un cil Member Wolosyn said are we all <;wed to abstain from a vo te? I wo uld much rath er do th at .. j us t in the spiri t of th e procedure we agreed upor1 as a Council, inform ally . las t week. City Att orn ey Brotzman said to abs tai n you need a conflic t. Ms. Wolosy n sa id th at is what I th oug ht. Mayor Bradshaw sai d, and the co nfli ct is? Mr . Brotzman sai d that means yo u ha ve a fin anci al or personal co nflict. In response to Counci l Member Garrett, Ci 1y Allorney Brotzman sa id und er Co uncil poli cy yo u may not abs tain . You actually have to arti cul ate the reason that yo u abstained and it has to be a conflict. Mayor Bradshaw call ed for the que stio n. Counci l Member Moo re sa id we talk.c:d abo ut somctring si mil ar. If thi s V'ltc goes forward tonigh r. and th ere are not suffi cie nt ycs's, can it be brought up agai11 at the nex t meeting or is th ere a delay? Attorney Bro tzma n said this is not an ordi nance, so thi s one may be brought up aga in . Mayor Brad sha w sa id regardless of how this co mes out , yo u two group s have go t to talk 10 eac h other. You have to. Co uncil Me mbe r Wol osy n sa id because yo u know wha t, it is suppo sed to be a community park wi th off- leas h p1ivi lcges and I think the proposal is a wonderful co mpromi se to keepi !l g it th at aml not making it a dog park . And that is what I wo uld like everybody to go home aud rea ll y think about it. Co uncil Membe r Garrett asked Ma yor Brad shaw to ent ertai n wi thdrawi ng the motion for two week s. MAYOR BRADSHAW SA ID YES, I WILL IVITHDRA W THE MOTION. TII E SECOND AGREED . Co uncil Member Grazu li s asked abo UI th e vo te to abs tai n. I tried to abs tain once, because of so met hing and was not all owed. MJyo r Bra ds haw smd it is a choice you mak e, you ca n vio late a Council law or not. Mayor Bradshaw sai d in th e nex t two weeks, I want you guys to get mge th er . so mehow. • • • • • • Englewood Clly Council Octobt,r 20, 2003 Page 13 Co unci l Member Grazuli s as k,. 1 if th ere was a way that 1hey ca n hn,·c a mcdi alc ~ :.he re so 11 does n'1 beco me an argue fest. Cit y Manage r Sears sa id we co uld host bo th side s. We co uld jus1 set a mce 1ing and we co uld hos l a meeting where bo th parties could co me wi th a representati ve and disc uss the alt ermu ive. It would pro bab ly ha ve 10 be within th e nex t wee k be fore the nex t Counci l mee ting . We co uld have our Parks and Rec rea tion Di rec 1or there and if so me of the Co unc il Members wanted to come to th at mee ting. th at wo uld ~c possible too. (C lerk's note : Th ere was a que sti on fr om aud ience , but I could not pi ck it up on th e tape.) C. •y Manage r Sears said I think it would be better not to have too many. but certainly one or two repre sc:llat ives in a problem solving mode . Ma yor Bradshaw said people who are willing 10 co mpromi se. Di !><:uss ion ensued regarding a meeting date and time. Cit y Manager Se ars said how about the 27m al 5:3 0 p.m.? Someofll: from the audience asked if there cou!d be tlirec from each group. Mr . Scars sa id l lhink three may hr :'iffi cu14 how about two represe ntatives from bo1h sides and maybe have a li st of different idca!I . You may already ha ve so me ideas from yo ur side to talk about. .. a whole range of thin gs ... Emerso n Pmk perhaps as an alternati ve. I think a wh ole di sc ussion for an hour or so, wo uld be so mething to take a look at. Does that sound okay ? Ma yor Bradshaw sa id yes. We will ha ve a mediator. Mr. Scars repeated the time of 5:30 on Monday evening. Responding to a qur.s ti on from the aud ience, City Mana ger Sears re iterated that 1hey could have two rcr,resentativcs. Mayor Bradshaw said I think it is very fa ir. I th ink we can't do a win -lose. I think we have to do a wi n-win in our community . (b) Council Members' Ch oice Council Members did not ha •1 c any additional matters to brin g be fore Council. 13 . City Manager 's Report (a) Cit y Manager Sears sai d sta ff would be happy to fa cilitate thi s. Ma yor Bradshaw said I was thinkin g of Mr. Fl aheny. Mr . Scars said okay, Mik e or mys elf will be there Monday ni ght. 14. City Allomey's Report City Attorney Brotzmnn dill not have :my matteiS to brin & be fo re Council. 15. Adjournment Th e mee tin g adj ourned at 8:25 p.m .