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Home My WebLink About2002-11-04 (Regular) Meeting Minutes• • EN'JLEWOOD CITY COUNCIL ENGLEWOOD, ARAPAHOE COU TY . COLORADO I. Co ll lo O rde r Regu lar Session No\'ember 4, 2002 The: regular n~cting of the Englewood Chy Co uncil wos call ed .c order by Mayor Brad shaw at 7:3 0 p.m. 2. Invo cat ion The invoca 1ion was given by Co un cil Memhcr Nabho lz, J . Pledge of Allegiance Th e Pled g..: of All cg;i:mce wa s led by Mayor Bradsha w. 4. Roll Call Prescm : Abse nt A q uorum wa s present. Al so present: 5. !\linulcs Council Members Nabho lz, Grazulis , Garrett, \Volosyn, Yurchick , Bradshaw Council ~•tcmbcr Moo re r:i 1y Manager Sca rs Ci1 y Att<>mcy Brotzman Assis tant Ci1 y M:inager Flah eny Ci 1y Clerk Ellis Senior Pl anne r Langon, Community Developme n1 Direct or Ro ss, Public Works Direc tor Olson . Safet y Services Direc tor Gryg lcw1cz. Finoncc and Admi ni strt11ivc Service s Direc tor Long. Library Director Fonda . Uti lit 1cs (a) COUNCIL MEMBER GRAZ ULI S MOVED , AND IT WAS SECONDED, TO APPROVE 1 HE MIN UTES OF THE REG ULA R CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF OCTOBER 2 1, 2002. Ma yo r Brads h:iw asked if there were ::m y co rrecr ions or comments . There were none . Vote results : Ayes: Na ys: Abstain: Ab sent: Mo tir,n carried . 6. Scheduled Visito rs Co uncil Member s Garren, Wolos yn. Grazu li s. Bradsha w None Co uncil Members Na bholz. Yurchick Co unci l Member Moo re Engl ewoo d City Co uncil No\'c mb cr ·'-ZOO? Page 2 There were no scheduled vis i1ors. 7. Unsch eduled Visitors (a) Daniel Ni vol, 3440 So u1h Shcmurn Slrect, siated he had been infor med earlier today lhllt there was go in g 10 be a meet in g hel d abo UI 1hc num ber 12 bu s rou te. nfortunat cly. he said, from what r ve just bee n 1old, th at mee ting 100k place ill 6 p.m. It is in relil lion t·> RTD movi ng 1he rou1e off of Sherma n St reet to Lin co ln St reet. Several homeowners and I, who illl li vc on tha t street reques ted thi s 1hree yea rs ago . Now we lmve bee n told th at th ere are folks who do not want i1 moved and th ey ha ve pe ti1ioned RTD 10 no t change th e ro ut e. We ha ve worked three y~.,·s. he s.iid, ond we li ve on Sherma n Stree t and Gira rd and we have asked the Chy to ge1 invo(\'erl W1: al so as ked RTD to talk 10 the Chy ab ut nl0\1iitg this route . It so und s to me lik e RTD wanted to do it and now. a ll of a sudden. there are pe ople who an.• against ii. Like I sa id. we were notified only on Frida y and \,·e we re 10ld today, by so me one from the City. 1ha1 thl' meeti ng wou ld be .i t 7:30 p.m. and unfortunatel y it sou nds like it was at 6 p.m. Ma yor Brad shaw ad vised that tl u,t was a Stud y Sess ion at 6 p.m. Mr. Niva l slated tha t he ha d been informed 1ha1 there was s upposed 10 be a fomta l mccu ng ab out tin route . We do 1101 wan1 th em 10 not move 1hc route at thi s 1inw \Ve had propose d 1hat 1hcy move it to Lincoln durmg nig ht ho urs . which is a commercia l area. as op po sed to where we live. whi ch is rcsid e n1 ial. It ha s been rezo ned :ind th r re arc 10 homeown ers !here as well as Orch:ird Pla ce. We wo uld lik e to have RTD move the route a!!! the y had in tended to move it. Ahh oug h o ur iniiial rey ues t was that RTO run th e bus routt' dur ing 1he day.tim e. normall y, up Sherman St ree1. but as of 5:00 p.m. when Ma ll ey Ce nter clo ses do\\11. that they th en start running th e bu s up Linco ln St ree t until eig ht o"clock th e nex t morni ng. Tha t was our ini1ia l proposal we gave 10 thcni and to the City . Acco rding 10 wha1 I fo und out today, RTD proposed th at they stric tl y put it all on Linco ln S1rcc 1 all da y long . The reaso n we co mplain abou t thi s. is that fro m 5 o'clock to 5 o'cl oc k the nex t da y, every 15 minute s. there is a bu s th :n goes by th ere , one going one direction and the n 15 minute s hiter , one goi ,,~ 1hc 01he r dire ction . Th e numb er 12 and numb er 27 ill nigh! bo th share that stree 1. The dec imal level of the \'C hicles that go by th ere arc enoug h 10 rock the house b;:cause the y are die sel. We don't mind in the daytime. becau se mos 1 ofus ilre not there. but we sure do mind it at night. We have heli cop ters th at go over our hous e for Swedish Medi ca l Ce nt er. We don't have a problem wit h th em ilS th t:y arc not every 15 minut es. We ha ve a problem wi th the buses com ing by every 15 mi nut es . We hilve even asked them to back it off beca use we did our own survey anJ found 1hat very few customers were on those bu ses ::it1d they we re ge tting on at one s1op that was on 1ha1 street. There was no one gening on in 1hc e\'cni ngs. so we asked them to j ust mo\'e it aro und !he corner, whi 1:h is abo ut 50 feel from where it currently is and co ntinue to go stra ight I don't know wh.it the Ci ty's backing is on thi s. he sa id . We were to ld two years ago. tha1 the City was co nsiderin g usin g elec tric bu ses in town, whi ch would be mu ch qui clf'r . That fe ll by the wa ys ide . I ha\'en·1 heard an}1hing back on th e electric bu ses. because the y said ma ybe they could pick up electri c bu ses through th at area . So, we ha\'e heard no1hing fr om the Ci 1y and nothin g from RTD fo r ::i lmos l a year and th en we were just informed about this mee ting on Frida y ond 1hen the 1imc today. He 1hanked Council. (b) Euge ne Nomtan . 4840 So u1h Huron. said hum ans ha\'e evo lved to th e po int of de stru ction or alv:i uon . We ma y ac hie ve ei 1her direc ti on, but sal \'ati on requires 1hat we go be yo nd our stone.age me ntal ii :. That blindne ss that is ca use d by gre ed. hypocrisy and th e urge for power exhibi ted by ou r so-ca lkd trader.!! We ha,,e ahcrna tives but th ose ilhemali\'cS require fo s1 action . The laws of1he markel place mu st bow to the la ws of hum ani ty. Surel y. he said. my voice is nol an isolated cry for j ustice and sanit y directed at tho se who wield powe r. I can pre se nt you ·::ii h end le ss ne w ideas . but if any one of those idea s 1s 1101 inco rporated into grou p ilction. then I may as well be speaki ng to the wi nd. As leaders, you do not all ow for creat ivity. You stunt yo ursel\'t'S in nu merou s wa ys . My co nstitu ti una l righ ts hilve been abrogated time afl er time . We need 10 fom1 a new go\'emment fo r our 0,,11 survi vil l as human s. Join me . evo luti ons. You r medica l sys tem. alo ng wi1h e,·ef)1hing else is close to se lf.destruction, ilnd is run by sadis1s whose masoc histic tenden cies ha,·e ta ken ove r. Fifty at o..., bo mb s. more powerful th an the Hiros hima one. 111 our own back yard. and it is not hl'ilhh y. nor is 11 imc ll igent. If yo u conside r yo ur se l\'es • • • • • • Englewood Ci ty Cou ncil No\'ember -1 . 2002 Page 3 pa1rio 1ic, yo u 'II join me. If we nrc in 10 co nt rol , 1hcn begi n by co ntr ollin g yo urselves. The 35 0 billi on dolla rs used for home defe nse wi ll probabl y end by bei ng used againsl us . As has consis 1enlly lmppened in 1he past. Thut same amou nl. used for peace, can crc a1c friend s of those who are now enemi es . Once :i. soc iety has succeeded in moldi ng the charac lcr slru cture of th e averJgc person in such a wo.y th at he lik es 10 do what he has ro do, he is s:i.ti slicd with the very co nditio ns tl uu soc iet y imposes on him. A burcaur-racy. When man is transfom1cd int o a 1hing, ma na g1..d like :i 1hmg. hi s ma nage rs themselves, beco me things, :i.nd lhings have no will . no visio n. Wi1h th e bu rea ucra tic management of people, the democrati c pro cess be comes lransformcd in10 a ril u.1 1 and absurdi ty. Join me. he said, lct"s fom1 :i. new gove rnment b:i sed on !ru e democrn c a nd 110 1 on the plutocra cy we ha ve now . Bu sh was not clec1ed by th e peop le and his base is bi g mone y Lei's grow up as a nati on . Vo1c )'CS or no on th e ideas. no1 th e so-c all ed represen 1111ive who only rep re se nt s himse lf. mos t of 1hc time . The Bush dy na sty needs to be controll ed for our we ll being as a nation . An impe ri al presi dency , wi1h a powe r co mplc~:. is !h e la s! th ing America ne eds in it s books . Dipl omac y is a mu st. Th e 350 billi on dollars co uld easi ly be spe nt on more in1elli gent. pre se nt act ion. Me galom:i nia is not my bag. but I stran gel y sugge st yo u follow my lead . Media1 iri n is in order. I have o very quea sy feeling as 10 thL' ph ys iologica l vie w, :he res t of the world \'ie ws us in . Quick :ic ti on relative to me is es se mial. It's quite obvious , we arc skatin g at 1he edge of the mother and father of:ill wa rs, unl ess we change . Grace , on 1•nmcri1ed gift fr om God . Americ a ha s ,,·e:ipons of ma ss de stru ctio n. I sugge st strongly th at we di smantl e 1hem and gh·c the arms dealers a vaca ti on. China has weapons or ma ss de stru ction and so doc s Israel , India, Pak istan , Ru ss fa a nd oth ers. We mu st con\'incc them we will put our toys aw ay and that it will be 10 1hcir ad v:uu og c to do the sa me ... gra ce . Capitalism, co nununi sm and socia li sm ma y thrive 1oge1her ir done prope rly 10 1he advan ta ge of all. beyo nd parar.oia. Priori lie s and crea tivi ty mu st go be yo nd oi l and a1ornic energies in near space time . Quite frankly. th e preva ilin g mood among ou r lc:idcrs is di sturbingl y famil ia r. It is the same mentalit y that urged 1he des tru cti on or Native America ns for the purpose of sn:uching 1hei r land , and justifi ed the rapL' of Africa . in orde r to enslave black s. and al th is very momen t, i1 is des troy ing i1s yo uth in drug wars . A per\'ad ing ru le mentalit y and qui1 e unhe:il!hy. cavea t and poor, ma y the bu yer beware . True Chri stians will al w:i.ys seek a non-vio lent way ou1 of 11 potential sc rimma ge . A pree mp ted str ike mns counter to both Chri stia n and human ideal s. Ma yor Brad shaw 1h:rnk cd ~'Ir. Nom1.1n . 8. Cormnunicolions. rroclama ti on s and Appointments (a) A lc11 er from Ronald 1-1 . Fi sh in dic:i un g his re signa tion from th e Kee p Engle ,,ood Beau tifu l Co mmi ss ion \\'3 S considered . COUNCIL MEMBER :-,/A BHOLZ ~JOYED, AND IT WAS SECO:',DED, TO ACCEPT. WITH REG RET. THE RESIGNATION OF RONALD H . FISH FRO~I THE KEEP ENGLEWOOD IIEAUTIFUL COMMISSION. Ayes : Nays : Absent : Moti on ca rried . Cou nci l Me mbers Nabholz. Garren. Wolos~11. Yurchick. G ra zuli s, Brad sha w No ne Cou nci l Member ~oore 9. Public Hearing (:i) Ma yo r Brad shaw adv ised that th is 1s a publ ic hearing to gather citize n input on Co uncil Bill No . 54, approvi ng !he Uni\'crsity Home s Plann ed Unit Devel opment. COUNCIL MS:MBER WOLOS\'N MOVED. A ND IT WAS SECO:',DED. TO OPEN A PUBLIC H EARING TO GATHER C ITIZEN INPUT ON C OUNCIL B ILL NO. 5~. APPROVING THE UN IVERSITY HOM ES PLANNED UNIT DEVELO PME NT. Ayes : Counc il Me mbers I abho lz. Garten. Wolos)TI. Yu rchick . Grazul is, Bradshaw Engle" ood City Cou ncil No,•cmbl'r 4. 2002 Page 4 Nays : Abse nt No ne Council ~!ember Moore Motmn earned and th e Publt c Hea ring opened . All wi111 esses were duly swo rn . Senio r Pl :m ncr Langon said for you r co nsidcrallon tonig ht is Counci l Bill No . 5-L a request by applicant Da vi d D1Po nc. for a rezo nin g fr om R-1-A 10 PUD fo r Universi ty Homes Pfann ed Unit De velopment. at 3055 S0t11h Univcrsi 1y Boul ev ard , Thi s reques l is 10 all ow deve lopm ent of fo ur si ngle-fa mil y buildin g sih:s. I'd like to submil. for the re rnrd. cenifica tio n of posting of lh is Publ ic Henri ng . Proof of Publica1 io n tha1 1lus hcari ng was publi shed in 1he Englewood Merald on Octobe r 11 , 2002 and also I have submincd to the Clerk a leue r da ted Sep1cmbcr 4, 2002 from Mr . Geo rge Bodley . She explained th at the lener was sub min ed aficr the close of 1he Plannin g t1nd Zo ning Co mmi ssio n Publi c Hearin g. Th e Clerk has those . she sai d. and if Co un ci l would like 10 see co pi es of those a1 thi s time. we ca n dis 1rib u1 e 1hem. (C krk 's note: Cou nci l ind icated 1hey did no t need 10 see the cop ies at th is time .J Ms. Langon said thi s hear ing is for 1he Pl ann ed Unit Deve lopment which es 1abli she s a new zo ne district and as soci a1ed sta ndards for that d1 sr "ic1. Al so. assoc iate cl ·h this property, will be a requesl for a major subd i\!1Sion that will bc co ming aft er 1he Pl anned nit Dr npment. l f1he Plann ed Ll n11 Dcvel opmen 1. which es tablishes the zone distric t and th e requi re rne 111s. 1s i1 roved , then a major subdivisio n ,, wl11 ch actua ll y di vidc s 1hc propert y, will be co nsid ered . Tl , J11 1mendatio11 fr om staff is 10 approve the PUD wil h 1wo co nditio ns. First. that .1 Homeo wn ers Assoct J:io n be form ed and docume nl s pe rt ain ing to 1he As soc i:uion be filed against all propenies wi th 1he Arapa hoe Cou my Clerk and tha1 a co py oftha1 Home owners Assoc iation do cument be prov ided 10 the Ci ty. She exp lame d that the is sue be fo re Co un ci l. for the P 0 . is 10 dec ide if1he propos ed land use is 1he appropriate land use. and al so. docs the PUD mee t th e Di:. :;ict and Site Plan requirements required in 1he PUO ordinance . Th e PL"D is a two -part pro cess. Fir st. is a Oi s1ric 1 Plan, wh ich sets th e zo ne di s1ric 1 re gulation s and 1he second is a Site Plan 1ha1 es tab lishes th e site desig n. Per the ordin:rnce, the se two processes can be com bined, as 1hey are being tonight. Th e is sue is not one of design. or co lor or arch11ecture. she said . thi s 1s 1hc es1a blis hm en1 of a zone di s1ric t. The propert y of the pro posed PUO is in th e ex treme nonhea s1 poni on of1 hc Ci ty, approxinu1cly a1 East Oanmou 1h and Sou th Uni vers ity Bou le va rd. Property 10 the south and west is zo ned R-1-A and is in the Cit y of Eng lewood. Prope rt y to th e nonh and east is in 1he Cuy and County of Denver and zo ned R-1, a zon e di str ic t si mil:u 10 our R-1-C di st ri ct. The si te. currentl y, is zo ned R-1-.-\. Sing le-Famil y Res id ence Dist ric t and it is just 0\'er an acre in are:i . Referring Counci l to the Site Pl:ins. ~t s. Langon n01 ed that there is ki nd of a nujor bod y of 1he pro peny 1ha1 is :1ppro xim.:11cl y .88 acres and lhat is the subject of 1hc PUD. Th e re 1s :il so, she said. wh:u we refer 10 as .1 fb gpole. whic h ex ten ds from th e rrojor bod y of 1he propeny sout hward 10 Ea st Danmou1h A\'enue. and 1hat fl ag pole 1s not p.1n of the PLD. Thai \\i ll be pan of th e subdivision and the reaso n that th ese two processes ore on 1wo diffe rent propenies. is so thot th e no gpole wi ll renui n R-1-A. The purpose of that is so th:it once it is subdivided, if the PL U is approved and 1he subdivision approved. that property can th en be so ld 10 the adjace n1 church. So again. she so1 d. the na gpo le is not pan of1h e P D. The P D will rezone th e si te. It will serve 10 un ify 1he land de ve lop m!!nt controls and it also es tab li shes the zo ning and Sile Plan cr it cri.1 specific 10 the PUD. It also allows for developmen1 nexibili ty that is n't ne cessa ril y a,1atlable throug h 1hc ex isting zo ning stand:i rds. The m1en1 oflhc Pl ann ed Unil ol1he Unive rsi ty Home s Pla1med Unit Dcvclopm ent, is to deve lop fo ur sin gle-fami ly lots wi 1h acce ss ofT So uth nivc rsity Boule va rd. by a privat e drive . Th is site cou ld be developed by two methods. It could he _1us 1 deve loped as one lot. ns a sin gle-family 101 under 1he R-1-:\ standards or i1 co uld be subdivided and de ,·eloped as 1wo \0 1s. bu1 th ese lot s ,,·ou ld be appro x1 ma1 ely 23 5 foo t deep ofT of So uth Uni versi 1y Bou leva rd. whi ch 1s b.1 sica ll y doubiL' 1he t)-p 1ca l lo1111 that area . An y ,,acan1 lan d m 1he Cit y of Englewood 1s. reall y. vaca nt for Oil(' .,f 1wo reaso ns, Eit her the propeny own ers arc holdin g on to 1he land or th ere arc dev el op men t co ns1raims on the propeny, That is the case in th is situa 1io n. Th e 101 size is one cons tra int , meaning that ii h.1s to be subdiv ided and really co uld onl y be devel oped under the R-1-A st:rndarrls as one 101 or 1wo re all y dee p lots . She adnsed 1ha1 Denver re side nt s 10 the nonh b.1 ,·e op posed any development 1ha1 1s anythin g othe r rha n single-family and previous an empt s 10 develop the property have foiled . Th ose • • • • • Engll•,,ood Cit~· Co uncil November •'-200 2 Pa ge!- au cmpt s haw incl udt:'d an ass is1c:d li ving faci lity, a church and a sc hoo l. Utili1y serv ice has also bee n a maJo r bS ul'. Ci t)' se rvices Jrc :i ll the wa y over to Eas t Da r1m ou1h and Ea s1 Danmouth Circle . The neig hbo rh ood mee ting. as req uired per 1hc PUD ordinance, wa s co nduc ted on Au g us1 22. 2001 and nine Ens l.:\\ol.)d :md Dcnvc:r res ide nt s :lllcndcd. Ke y conce rns at tha t mee tin g were th e rcs1~e n1ia l use and also clrama ge . Th i.' pro pose d PUD was rev iewed by the Devc lop mcm Rev iew Team :ind th e Pla nn in g :md Zo ni ng Co mm iss io n co ndu c1cd a Publi c Hea ring on Augu st 20'h . Al 1ha1 tim e. thc:y co ntmued th e hea rin g to cp1e mbt:r-l1h 10 allow srnlT11 mc: to addre ss so me dra ina ge is sues and pro\'idc mfom1.11 io n ba ck 10 1he Co nurn ssion. On Sep1embcr 4th 1hey approved 1he PUD wi th two co nd iti ons .in d an addi ti onal cond i1i o n regarding dra 111agc . Ttw app li cant ha s mel that co nditi on and th erefo re . wh:i.t"s being propose d toni ght is j ust th t· I \\U co nd itt ons regardi ng the Homeo ,\11ers Assoc iati on. Th e use is prop osed 10 be single-fa mil y residence o nl y. wi th l ll ac hed garagc s. Th ey also ha ve :i ccessory uses and th ey 3re re que sting home 1Jccu pn1ions fo r limite d office use or auxi li.iry to an off-sit e bu si ness . Th e use and th e accessory uses are co mp a11blc w11 h th c surro undi ng di stri ct, bot h Englewood and Denv er . Lo t area !i are pro posed to be abo ut 6700 ti..·c t !Or the small csl lot and 8-l 00 squ a re fee t fo r the lar gest lot. She noted the Depa nmcnt co nsiders th is 10 be a rea so nable range of lot sizes co nsid ering the dept h of th e 101. To be ab le 10 get four lots on thi s prop en y. th ey ha\'C to be so mewha t small er lots along with lhc fact th at the rig h1-o f-wa y nee ds 10 be dedicated 3nd there 1s also !h e pnv:11e dri \'e tha1 redu ces the ava il able lot area . The Denve r lots 10 th e nonh arc approxima 1ely 7000 squ are fee t. she said. so co nsiderin g 1hat and the fa ct tha 1 the two Englewood lolS ... on adjacent prope nie s. whic h arc th e Church and th e Brown man sion property. are no n-residential uses. and thi s propo s31 is so methin g simil ar 10 th e Denve r requiremen ts. She ad\·ised tha1 in o ur zoni ng ordin::rncc . \\e have wha 1 are ca ll ed set-backs. whi ch arc th e disrnn ces fr om buil d m£ to propc ny line . 13ccJ use o f th e shap e of th e prope n y and so that there is 110 .:o nfu sion as to whic h side o f the property is the front or a side . 1he app li ca nt ha s pro posed a building enve lope and that's the area in whi ch development can 0l'ctir . Whal !hey are pro posi ng, is 1ha1 appro ximat ely 42 percent of the lot area can be de\'c loped. That docs not mean 1ha1 thc fu ll 42 percent will be de veloped, but th a1 is wha1 the en\'elope covers. That's t3 irl y comparable 10 the 40 percent 1hat is all owed c urre nt ly in th e R-i-A. The app licant also proposes a heig h1 or 32 feet. whic h is desig ne d to ac co mmoda te a two story and pitched roar. Curr cn1l y in R-1-A , hei ght is linu1ed lo 25 fee t and within Denv er 1he heig ht is all owe d to go up 10 30 fret o n !Ols th at are at lea st SO fool wid e. The adj:1c cnt lo1s arc 60 feet. Th ose hou ses. though 1hcy arc not at 30 feet currentl y, they do have th "-' dev d o pm c nt po 1en1 ia l 10 go be yo nd th e 30 fee t. Al th e nei ghborh oo d meeting . there we re co ncern s regarding drainage that wa s disc ussed extensive ly at the Plannin g and Zo ning Comm ission meeti ng and the Dr:una ge Stud y wa s again n:viewed . The Drai nag e St ud y wa s submiu ed as part of th e PUD. Publi c Wo rks re\'ie·.v"-•d u .i seco nd 11me and th ere w3s a mem o from Dir ec tor Ross inclu ded in thi s even ings pac kc1. D1rcc1or Ross 1s also avai la ble. she snid. if the re arc any addi tional que stio ns. The drainnge channe l lip on th e nor1 h side o f the d rni na:;e chann el ha s been rai sed pe r th e re qui rement from th e Planning and Zoning Conurn ss ion. Ag.ii n access 1s vi a a pri va 1e drive . whi ch will be maintai ned by the Homeowners Assoc1 a1io n. That drive is nol to be dedi cated to the Ci1y . the reas on being 1hat the drive 1s not 10 Ci1 y st:mdards. wid 1h. E.i ch propeny mu st ha\'e a minimum of four pa rk ing spa ces. ,vi1h a mi nimum o r two or those spa ces being within th e onac hcd garage . There arc also 1hrec des ig nate d parkin g spa ces on the nonh sid e of the pm ·a1t: dnve and 1wo de signated in the snow sto ra ge area. when i1 is not being used for sto ra ge . Thi s ac tuall y exceed s 1hc requiremen ts fo r parki ng in th e R-1-A . Rega rdi ng la ndsc:iping. she said , Lots I 1hro ugh 4 will co mpl y with !he ordina nce and pub li c ri ght-of-way as per th e plan as re viewe d by Pub lic Works. Tins is comparable 10 o ur exist in g s1andards. The app\i c:mt is also re ques tin g a sc reeni ng wa ll al ong S01 11h ·niversity Doule vard ... 11115 is :in S foot high wall . Curr entl y, in R-1-.-\. th e mlximu m hei ght is 6 foo t. howe,·er . co nside ring th e location and the de sire to miti g;1.1 c traffi c noi se and 10 prov ide privac y, S fo ot 1 110 1 nn unrea so nab le reque st U1ilit ies. as I've said. has always be en an iss ue on this propen y. In rega rd to 1hc wa ter 1111d sewer. she sa id . th e appli ca nl has worked out agreements and the Wa ter .!.nd Sewer Board !ms re\'icwed 1he agreeme nt s. and if all is well , ii will work out !hat the app licant will be ab le 10 rcn•ive Denver wat er duo ugh a main in South Uni \'crsit y Doulcvard . through an JG.-\. an d sewer service th ro ugh ~'lc tro Wastewater in a line also thro ugh So ut h Unive rsit y. This will save co nun g fr om East Danmouth or Ea s1 D:i.nmouth Ci rcl e up lh rough th e fl agpo le .ind then 10 !he propenies. There is enc other iss ue. she sa1 J . Currentl y. the power fo r the Korean Emma nu el Met hl.}d ist Chur ch. whi ch is south of th e propl'rly. co mt:s fr om a line !h at crosses the: develo pment There is no reco rd ed ease men t fo r th at line a nd the applic:1111 propost•s to unde rgrou nd th a1 line throu gh his propcny through an casement. She explai ned Eng lcnood Clly Council No\'embcr 4. 200 2 Pag e 6 1hat who pays, or how th a1 is orga ni zed . 1s a civil 1s ue that nee ds to be discussed berneen th e two pro pcny owner s. Al so w11 hm ou r re \11 ew. she said . we requi red infr asm1cture phas ing. Ph ase I \\ 111 be majo r service s. such as th e pri vate dri ve . th e c urb . gutt er 11 11d th e ri gh1-of-w:1.y impro\'emenu. Thosr arc all n.:q u1 rcd bd'on: :my buil din g pe rmit is issued . Phase 2 will be lesser 11 ems 1ha1 will be re qui red be fon: 11, CO fo r any strnc mre will be issued . Th ose 11rc lh l! screc:ning wa ll an d 1hen the fe nce type issues . Thi: Dis tri ct Pl an and the Sue Pl an arc consis 1c111 wi th PUD requ irement s. All materia ls ha \'e ban submmcd. The plan is also co nsistF"nt with th e imcnt of th e Co mprehen sive Pl an, whi ch stat es th :11 in th e reside ntial di str ic ts, d fo n s sh,rn ld be made to enco urage fle xi bilit y 10 permit inno vati \'c des ign and de\"elop ment and bett er use of l:1.nrl . Be cau se of th e prop eny hi story . and th e neighb ors desire for sin g'e-famil y. Comm unit y De ve lop ment s1aff feel s that th is is a solid dcve lopm em that wi ll enhan ce th e Cit). The refo re. she sa id , we rl!co mme nd the rwo condi1 io 11s: that 1hc Homeo wne rs Associ ati on be formed to address lh e mainte nan ce issues and 1h:11 do, nne nt be filed again st all prope rties with Arapah oe Co un1 y and tlut a re corde d co py of 1he Homeowners . .!..~soc ia1 io n doc ument be prov ide d to the Cit y. Ms. Lan go n said if th ere are an y que stions I wo ul d be gla d to .1n \ , -:r 1hcm. Ma yor Brn ds ha \v asked it there were an y que st ion s. There were none. Peter 0 . Papp:i s, Pappa s Arch 11ecture , LLC. 24 22 South Downing S1re e1. Denver . sa .J I am h;i pp y to be here tonig ht rep re senting Da vid DiPan c. the owner oflhe propert y in que stion thi s e,ening. ~tr. OiPanc is he re al so . and 1f1here arc an y qu es tio ns. ei ther Mr. DiPane or I ca n answe r. we "'Ill be ,ery hJppy to answe r 1hose quest io ns. Be fo re th e Pl annin g Co mmissio n several week.-. ago, he said. I nunaged to speak fo r about an hol!r .:1.nd n half on thi s. I'm goi ng 10 try 10 do a link beue r d1an tha t to ni ght . and give yo u a br ief synopsis of th is project. In doin g so, I th ink I wi ll end up hav ing to leave so me 1mpon an 1 iss ues out. I'll try not 10 miss th em, but if there nre nny 1ha1 I can go deeper in1 0. I ce rtainl y \\11\ be ha ppy to do th :11 . .'\ga m. as ;\'ls. Langon ind ic at ed . thi s prop eny loc:ued at the extreme nonh east pomon of Englewood . is 10 th e nort h anJ behind the Korean Emmanuel Me1hodis 1 Church and to the ca st of the Br own man si on . As man y of yo u nm y re call . thi s piece ofpropeny has had .m ed hi story. The Bro,\11 rrun s1on wa s rel oc :ued 10 it s pres ent loca uon in about 1983 fr om th e extreme rnrn er of Dartmouth and t.:m,·ers,~. The church wa s th en bui lt , 1hus lea ving 1hi s small ponion of pr openy etwe en th e City of Den ve r an d th e Korean Church . t\.lan y am.:mpt s ha ve bi:cn made to devel op th is un der the R-1-A zo ne di srricti ng. as ~1s. LJ ngo n had indica ted. by an ass isted c:1.re ce nter a nd a monua ry. I have actu ally li \'ed in tlu s ne1~hbo rho od abou, 15 years mys elf, he said. although I do live in De nver. a nd I ha ve w.it ched thi s pro pe~ sit the re "acant .ind h:1.,•e ,,ondc red o.bout things that co uld happen 10 it. I co nta cled th e prcsenl 0\\1ler abo u1 the pro pe rty and he di d bu y it based upon so me anal ys is that we ha d done that we co uld build fo ur single-family homes th ere. Although. yes. we woul d have to do a PUD fo r it. We h,ve spe nt almos t a ye:u a nd a hal f or 1wo years now. workin g wi th th e Ci ty of En glewood. wo rk ing whh Denver Metr opohun W:1stewa 1er Di stri ct. \\Orkm g wi th Den\'e r Wa1er Department . wo rk ing with th e Cit y of Eng le wood L'tihnes and Publ ic Work s and the Planmn g Co mm iss ion and pl anning s1aff in orde r 10 1ry 10 crea te a PL:D de,elop1T.<:nt that 1s co ns1s1e nt with the intent of th e R-1-A code . althou gh it may not me et the exact spec ui canons of :m R-1 -A zo ne. Also. as p.in of our proc ess. as Ms. Lan go n md ic ated. we did hold a neighbo rhood meet ing in Augus t of 200 1. whi ch was :Jdveniscd 10 all 1hc neighbors with in. I be lieve. a th ous.:i.n d fe::t or it mig ht ha\'c bcen 600 fe el. I'm not sure. We di d have nin e memb ers of th e ne ighbo rh ood show up at 1ha1 met"ti11 g and we disc ussed things with 1hc111, and id ea s we ha ve had. Sub se qu e nt to that. there \\ ere r., presentati ons be fo re tht: City of Ocn,·er neig hb orh ood group , the Cherry Hi ll ~ Vist:1. Communi ty Associ auon . whic h re pre se nts the homeowner s 10 th e nonh and the surrou ndi ng pro~ny in Denver . There were I \\O prc Sl'llla11 ons :11 the ir monthl y mce lin gs. as wdl as. several meetin gs w11h Ule directl y affect ed homeO\\lH!rs 10 1h r: north and there arc fi ve or sax oflhose . We have had several me~nn 2s \\ilh them in d1\"ldua ll y an d as a group in order 10 go ove r our plan . We ha \'C had vcrv, very good s;;:,pon fro m tho se ne1e hb ors 10 th e non h as well as from th e neig hbors m Eng lewood fo r lhe . ,roject. T m· de-, el opment of the propl·n y. bec:i usc of th e unique config ura tion of it. the dep th of ii . wo uld only ha ·, e all o,\ ed 1wo si ngle- fa nu ly home s wi th a 75 foo t fro ntage on Uni ve rsit y :md it wo uld have been qune de~;,. We loo ked at avenue s for crea tm g a vana nce fo r tlu s. or whatever. Pan of the problem with the property is th at. it will be in e,ccss of S 150,000.00 wo nh of u1 il11 1~s and publi c imp rove ments that are ne cessary 10 ma k.e thi s a de\'e !opabl c parcel. In panicula r. brmgm g sewer to the site. whc1her 1t be fr om the C,~-oi Englewood or • • • • • • Eng lc\\Oo lJ C ity Counci l Nove mb er -1 , 2002 Pagl' 7 Denver Mcuo Was 1cw31er. as well as bringing wa 1er 10 !111: site , upgrad111g the access and putting n sidewalk in on nivcrsi 1y. and widenin g niversity and. al so. ha ving 10 give right•Of•\\'J~ 10 the Ci1y of Engle wood for sidewalk along 1here . Bc:..•ca use of 1he sheer economics of it and the cos t. ,, hich ncccssi 1at cd tryi ng to do lhrec or fou r re side nces there. we feel we have co me up wuh a plan dull is \'Cry ilCCep ti!.bl e wit lun a four re sid ent de\1elopmen1. Mr. Pappa s said he had o ne quc s1ion he wa n1 ed 10 v~nfy wnh ~Is . La ng on. I be lh:ve. he sai d. that :vt s. L:rn go n ind icated that th e w1d1h of 1he st re et was not IO the City of Englewood st:rndards . I believe it is and l'mjus1 ques tioni ng 1h01. We wo rk ed wi th Publi c \\'orks Io ge t 1he wid 1h . which !hey had origi nally said we cou ld be 22 feel c urb to cur b. We have widened that, he no1ed, 10 30 fec1 curb 10 cur b with some parkin g, as well as side wa lk s on 1he side . I bel ie,·e one of th e re:i so ns we did no t make thi s n Ci ty sm:ct was beca use of ;i rn ai nten unce iss ue ... th nt the Cuy felt wit h a short stn:et lik,: th:11. which serves only fo ur properties. that th c Ci 1y wo uld ra ther have th c property owners maintain that. \Ve ha ,•e me t wi th th e Fi re Dcpar1me n1. Publi c Works . and Denve r Water 10 verify th :1 1 we do ha\'e 1he widt h in th at pri\'at c s1rec 1 nece ssary to se rve 1hc sc home s. ~fa yor l3r:idshaw asked Direc to r Ross ifhe ha d a response 10 thal statement. Or, she asked Co uncil. wou ld th ey rather \1a i1 until 1•i'i prc se111at ion is com plc1 ed . Co un cil deci ded 10 wai l un1il ~,tr. Pappa s had co mp leted !u s prc scm;iuon . ~Ir . Pappa s said th a1 wa s fine with tum. Mr. Pap pas said om· of th e major iss ues of the si te is also th e dr:1 111:igc of the si 1e. The nuns1on propeny 10 th e wes1 h::i s a parkmg 101 that hi s1oric;illy nows ocro ss our site , along a swalc towards Cmverrny Bou levard . Ont' of the l:ey design fca 1urcs of ou r plan. he so id. is to carry th:11 l11 s1orical !low from the man sio n property m :i channel that mns 10 1he north alo ng our wcs 1 propeily line and th en east along ou r north propcny line . This channel is roughl y a foot and a ha lf wide by a foo 1 and a half de::p . h h:is :i six in ch !ugh lip on the north side to pro tec t the propemes to the nort h. as was rcqu es1cd by the neig hbors. It is desig ned throug h our park engineering consu ltant s. II is co nsistent with !h t: final drainage rep o rt and it has been re\'1cwcd and approved by th e Ci1 y of Eng lewood Publi c Works Department. We bdie\'e it will hand le all fl ow from an hi storic IO0•ycar s1onn across that property. It will also handle the runoff and drai1:age from the Unive rsity Homes propert y, so th at th t :.: would be no ncga1iv~ t:ffec1. in a I OO•year storm. on an y other properties adjaccnl 10 our propert y. Awo ng !he iss ue s tha t we are askin'1" fo r some rclie,f fr om 1he R·l ·A zone. arc th e set backs whic h Ms . Lan go n ind ic.i tcd befo re. We h:i.,·e <.:eated buil ing cn\'clopcs 1ha1 the buildin g• ,y si l in . The se t back s for thi:sc bui ld ing en\'elope s are actuall y larg er 1h:in nrc nomJJlly req uired by the Ci 1y of Englewood R. J .A zone. Thc building en velope is jusl th:H. a pla ce ,,here a builc" ·g cou ld go . II is larger than 1he ac111al -1 2 percent building co vera ge that our Dis trict Plan allows, but ii is se t th:it way so a house cou ld be sc i so me pl ace in th.it envelope. it \\Ould n01 nc ccss:m!y fi ll up that en\'elopc . Our landsc ape requirement s arc also quoted on our Dtstn ct Plan. so that our land scape complies with th e City of Eng lewood landsca pe req uirements . \Ve are creating a cul -de-sac , winch \\I ll have three par kin g places on the norlh side of the acce ss road. as well as a rum .around. We ca ll 1hc private drive an ou 1!01. It is part of the PUD . but it will be O\\llCd by the Homeo,,11 erJ .-\ssoc ia1ion. who own th e four hou ses and will be main1ai11ed by them . Tra h pickup and snow removal \\i ll be und er 1hc HomcO\\llers co\·ena 111 s, as we ll as maint enance of1 he cu l-de •sac and the road . In orde r 10 sc reen the lhm scs fr om traffic nois e. we .ire proposi ng to co nstru ct a sc reen wall on 1he east propeny line. on th e wes t side of L·111,·crs11y Boulc\'ard . win ch you will sec in our dra wing here . We have al so pro\lded !:ind.scape in the ngh1•of.way . This will all be owned by 1hc Ci1y . but maintained by th e Homeowners As so-ciJ 1ion. in acco rd :rnct: wi1h our D1s1rict Pl an . The wall will be 8 fee t mil along Universi ty Boule\'ard to help sc re en the sound . noise and sig ht fro m th e 1raffi c on Uni ve rsit y. It also tum s 1hc co mer toward th e ,,·es t. a dis 1n11ce ofabou1 :!5 foc i wilh a shorter wa ll al 6 fce 1 tall. We ha \'e proposed signagc on th:1 1 \\"311 whic h ickntifies th e properties wi1h their add ress es. as we ll as Universi ty Home s :ind th .it is :il so mdica 1ed on our D1 stn c1 Plan . We are co mp lyi ng with nil the uses th :11 arc al lowed in the R-1-A. but the spec ifi r portion of ll us P 'D 1s tha1 the P D onl y allows single-fami ly re si dences on this property . If thi s pr operty were to re num R-1-A. ii would be conceivab le that 1he church cou ld e:-.pand in10 this area and bu ild so me kind ofa classroo m buildi ng or o:her church use bui lding . Ther e :ire \lther uses in the R-1 ·A that wo ul d be alluwed here . \\'11h our PUD we are only :illow ing the si ngJe.fom1ly re si dence and ,,e are excludu,g all 01her uses in 1h1 s de, :lo pment. The onl y erccplion we h.i,·e made is 1hat we are nuking all o\\·ance th at a home office can be opaated 111 one of 1hcsc houses. Wha l that means is, as mu ch as people arc doing what they call Englcwoutl C ity Co uncil No\'crnlnir 4. 2002 Page 8 1ekcommu1mg now-.:i-d ays. so meo ne could ope rate an office ou t of lhc ir home 1ha1 i.: accessory to th eir office 111 dO\nuow n Dcnv cr or downt own Eny lewood ... 1ha1 type of.: th ing. I th ink I'm just goi ng 10 stop ng ht thc rc. he sa id , and we ha\'C so me co lored dr.iwing s here 1ha1 ma y help you 10 un derstand what we are t.:ilk1ng abo ut. I'm here 10 answer quc s11ons for yo u, if yo u hav e any detai l yo u would lik e us 10 ge l in10 . :,.1ayor Bradshaw asked if th crc \\e re any ques tions fo r Mr . Pappa s. Cou nci l Mem be r Wolosyn sa id j ust the qucs 1io n ;vtr. Pappa s had . Ma yor Brad shaw asked Dire cto r Ross ifhe would res pond 10 the qu es ti on from ~'1r. Pappa s. Dire..:tor Ross sa id actua ll ~· Ms . L:rn yo n was correc t. The wi dlh of the s1rcc t is n't per our des ign cri teria in the engincen ng reg ul ati ons. but because it was u priva te stree t, we wo rked with the devel oper and I 1hink we have go 1 so mcthi ng thal more 1h:rn odequ:11el y mce 1s 1hc needs of th ese resi den1 s, as we ll as 1ak ing c:i re of an y vi sit ors the y ma y have . 11 ·s 30.5 fee t wide . whi ch wo uld :illow parkin g on one side and 1he cul -de - sac is less than what we wo uld req uire :is well . Bui aga in , he sai d. be ca use of th e way the y co nfi gured their drivew:iys , 1hose two driveways al the end of the cul-d e-sac :.:c t as kind of:i hammer he.id, so that pe ople , if th ey happe n 10 have a l:u ger \'C hi cle and they pu ll in 1herc, wou!d :i c1Ually be :ib le to tum around . l th ink it wo rk s for everybody . h doc sn 't requ ire them to build a 101 of ex tra .i sphah that reall y isn ·1 needed . I hope that answ1.•rs you r que s1ion. he sa id . Mayor Brad shaw :iskcd if 1hcre were an y other qu es lio ns. The re we re none . ~laye r Brndshaw 1hank ed Di rec tor Ross . • Geo rge Bodle y. 2300 Ea st Col umb ia Pla ce. sai d I li ve direc tl y be hind the p1 Jject in que s1io n. I 1es 1ifi ed in • fovor of the proj ec t prl'\'iously wi1h su mc rc sc rva 1ions. H,:iwcvcr. up on hea ring subseq uent te stimony give n before the Eng lewood's Planning Co mmi ss ion, ce rta in things came to light 1h01 now cause me !o be against 1hc project. TI1c reason I fee l the Englewood Ci1y Co un ci l should tum down 1he proposal is because th e PUD 1s sim ply a plot plan th :i t all ow fo r ove rsize d houses to be built on undersize d IN s. Tha t is, houses larger an d morco\'e r tall er than are presentl y all owe d in the Ci1y of Engl ewoo d R-t-A code. I feel thi s cxc ess l\'l' heig ht. in parti cular. will have l ve ry nega tive impa ct on my propert y. Moreover. ii will ne gal i\'dy unpa ct all 1hc oth er neighbors unmediately adjacent 10 1hc north . ::ts well . The de \'e loper's represem :lli\'e. ~Ir. Pap pas, claims the excess iv e height is to allow fo r anr;ic1ive sloped roofs . However, the f:i ct of th e nu tie r is. 1h:i 1 und er the Englewood Co de it wo uld actua ll y :i.llo w for D three-s tory stru ct ure with a na1 roof. Prese ntl y there arc no actu:il pl:ins fo r th e th eo ret ica l hou :.es. and neither 1he deve loper nor Mr. Pappa s knows ex:ic 1ly wha1 will be built . Moreover. 1_hey aren't C\'C:n sure who ex.ic il y will be lhe desi gne rs or builders. The En glewood Ci ty Co unci l should pla c-.: D hi gher priority on 1hc int egri ty and qua lity of life with in a give n neighborhood 1han on a hig hly sµcc ulativ e pl an fro m a si ngle real cs lat c spec ul ator. The excessive height of the hou ses is a ge nuin :· and legi timate iss ue. While th e sun in Den ver is 0 de grees overhea d at 1he begi nning of summe r, ii is r,.nl y 30 deg rees above the horizon a1 th e be gi nning of win1er. As suc h. 1he gro un d in my back y.ird woul d be ove rcast and sh:idowed for a good part of th e foll and \\ m1er . Ba s1co.ll y. I don't see ad equ:ile sa feg uor J S wi1hin th e proposal , and by th e City of Englewood, which prese r\'eS the rcla1i ve ly hi gh quality oflif<' .,.,,e pres~!lll y enjo y in Cherry Hill s Vista, where hou ses arc lim1 wd in height 10 an hones t two stories . I• s a point of refere nce. my own two story. ga rd en le ve l, house 1s only 17 fee t tall at th e ve ry hi ghe st o•,mt. whereas th e purposed PUD would all ow fo r houses 32 fe et in heigh t. "hich is nearly do ubl e the htighl of not onl y my house . bu 1 all 1he rest of the res 1den tio.l homes in th e smro un ding area . During th : pre vious Publ ic li e.i rin g. I asked if the stru ctures cou ld be limit ed to l\\O stor ies. 8u11he answer wJs tha 1 neither 1hc Pl .i nnin g Co mm iss ion no r th e Building Departme nt 1s ab le 10 defi ne a s1ory. Tne fa ct that 1he proposa l as ked fo r roof he irhts we ll beyond R-1-A 25 fool lim 11. is 1hus una cce ptable . 1 'ie propo sal asks for the se larger than th e i<.-1 -A structu re s on comparall\'ely small plo1s, lo1s 1h:i1 ~,re smalle r than th e 10.000 sq ua re foot mi ni mum req uired wi th in the • prcsen1 Englewood R-1 ·A code . ~'.Jrcover, he pointed out. the se units wo uld be accessed by :i limi1ed shared dnvew3y wi 1h a co mp aratr:cly diminu tive cul-de -sac . Agai n. it is nece ss ary to poi nt out 1hat , in spne of1hc plan. thc owne r is un\.crtai n wha t he will acma ll y do with 1hc proper1y. In previous testimo ny • Englewo od C ily O •unril No nmbcr 4. 2002 Pag e 9 befo re the Pl annin g Boa rd, he in dicat ed 1h:it he nc 1ua ll y docs11 '1 kn ow who wi ll buil d on 1hc lots or fo r 1ha1 mancr , whil l c-xac tl y wi ll be built . It is obvio us that he is go in g fo r the largest pos sibl e ind ivi du al rcsi den1ial stmctures th at ca n po ss ib ly be squeezed on1 0 thi s irr egula rl y shaped parcel . It cc na inl y appears 10 me that he hold s open th e possib ilit y of mark eting the entire parce l in co mbi n:uio n with PUD 10 so me unkn own and perhaps uns uspec ting pani cs prio r to do in g an y of th e wo rk hi nlf df. Thi s si1 ua 1ion is a far cry fro m so me one who is hones tl y 1ryin g to bui ld a home fo r th emse lves and who needs to be cu 1 a small amou nt of slack fo r various re aso nabl e and un ob tru sive rea sons . Since therr. is no ac tua l house plan s at th e presen t tim e. th e onl y guarant ees we res ide nt s have is th e language co nt aine d with in the PUD. whi ch presen tl y is clea rl y in adequ ate and ove rl y generous . Th e Ci ty of Eng lewood should not be grant ing a ca n e bl anc he PU D. In orde r to ob tai n app rova l of th e languag e of th e doc um ent at ion. he sa id. th e working drawin gs for th e project should indica te th at th e houses are actu all y li mite d 10 an hones t two s10 ry height . Thi s is very reaso na ble . For exan 1ple. 1he sa me lan guage 1hat is contained in !he prese nt R. J .A code could easi ly be incorpora ted int o th i: PUD, Add itio nall y, the PUD needs 10 in dic at e 1'ia t both fe nci ng and drainage will be co nstru c1cd at the appl ica nt's expe nse and pri or or in co njun c1i 01 · wi th any home constru ctio n. ow, I think th at was ad drern:d by Ms . Lango n. abo ut the three sic~ phase here toni ght. and I prepa red my tcs1imony in ad vance, so I do underst an d th at th al has bee n ad dressed . During pre\'io us publ ic hearing s. Plann ing Boa rd members and Englewood draina ge engi nee rs ind ica ted th at 1he draina ge si tu ation on th e parcel was esse n1iall y ve ry poor . It is my un derstan ding th at the grad e for th e proposed dra inage channel is only two•te111hs of one perce nt. In oth er word s. th e draina ge channel is esse nti all y nut. It see n~ 10 me . th at a more appropria te so luti on wo uld be 10 eleva te the chan nel a1 th e north wes t en d. Pre se ntl y. the height of the parce l in que stio n. is approxi mately 3 feet hi gher than my back yard . Th is eleva1io n change oc curs 01 th e prop ert y lin e immedia tely behind my fence. Thi s is due. in gre.:it pan , to an earth en berm. wh ich was requ ired by th e Cit y of Eng lewood to protec t us fr om th e nm off ca used by thi: park ing lot be hind th e monstrous old , gra y house on Danmouth . If it turn s ou1 , when th e ac1ua l co nst ru ctio n be gi ns. 1hat the co ncrete drainage chann el is in foc i eleva ted in any signifi cant heig ht . that is more than 6 in ches ab ove th e height of 1he prop eny direc tl y to th i: nonh, th e PU D pl an draw in gs and la ngua ge shoul d in dica t~ tha t the co ncre1e chann el liner will , in fa ct be supported by a mnsonry retain ing wa ll or a masonry fa ce emba nkment whic h pro tec ts the prop erty O\\llers on th e nonh fr om an y so il slum pi ng. eros ion or mass was1ing. To co mple te my te stim ony. hl .i ai d, I ur ge th e Cit y Co un cil to sen d thi s prlJjec t bac k 10 th e draw in g boa rd with a reco mm endn ti on that th e de\'e loper co me up wi th a plan that is ge nui nely in li ne wi th prese ntl y accep 1ed R•l ·A standa rd s. t-.fo yo r Brads haw asked if th ere we re any qu est ions. Th ere we re none. Ma yo r Brad shaw th anked ;\1r. Bodley . Mr. Bod ley th:mkcd Counci l fo r li steni n.r Counci l Member Ga rrett asked if Ms. Lango n co ul d add ress the ··two story-32 foo t height " ques tio n that wa s ra ised . M'-. Lang on ex plained that the issue with a s1ory is to defi ne wha t a stm y is. Is a sto ry 8 foot , is it 10 fo01? Two hou ses cou ld be 1hc sa me hcig h1 and th ere mig ht onl y be one story with in 011c house or th e house ncx 1 doo r co uld ha\'e 1wo sto ries because there arc two fl oo rs. So. I wou ld strongl y ca ution agains t us in g 1he wo rd stor y 10 de fin e a heig ht. Hav in g a limir. a num be r limit. .. some thi ng that is de fi r.ab lc. is fa r r:io re prefera ble-. shl' said . Cou nc il ;\1ember Garre n said usi ng a co mmc•n usage of th e wo rd story, not pu ning it in to the tex t. th at !he tc s1imon y was that this co ul d be three stories wi th a fl at roo r. You have ho uses !h at are built with flat roofs "" the so uth\•'t:SI comer ofUnivc rsi1y and Ham pde n. and th at wo ul d be a co ucc rn , I thin k. Th e 32 fe et. he noted. wou ld all ow th:11 type of struc ture. He as kd if the re is a way we co uld sugges t th at it 's not rea ll y • app ropri:ue . Enl!lt'wo od City Co unci l NO\'C mhcr ~. 2002 Pag e io Ms. LJn go n explained 1hat yes, ii co uld be 111hree s10ry. II cou ld be lhre e le ve ls \..,ithin 1he hot1~c~ if you hJd S foot cei lin gs . Gener:ill)•. mo s1 houses are oboui a fool to 1wo ft0et abo\'c gr::ide al th~ first Jloor . Then if yo u add 8 more fe el fo r th e fir st noo r, !hat's JO feet and probcbly abou t a. fo ol be1ween floors , I~,,· 's 11 fe et. so o.s you build th e hou se ~p and odd Ooors, yo u co ul d rea ch 1ha 1 32 foot heigh ! and tinve, vlrtu 11ly, a flal roo f. Member Garren stated th e reco mmendat io n 10 Counci l was ba sed on using the ex pression "two stor) s1ructure .'" I thin k ii was used in 1he cornmu nica uon . So ifwe can 't defin e story, how do we se t a limit. Ms. Lango n sa id by se ttin g th e heigh1 limit He said . but yo u just said , setti ng the hei ght limit doe sn't so lve the iss ue . Ms. Langon responded. no. the heig ht lim it docs se t 1he maximum height . Member Garren said , yo u just told me yo u co uld have three storie s. wi th a Oat roof. Ms . Lan go n replied , right, yo u co uld fit three stories in 32 feet , that's the th ing , you co uld ha\'e a one story house in 32 fee t, yo u cou ld have a two story, or a 3 story house wi th in 32 feet. [t depends on how man y fl oors yo u have in you r house and the ce iling height of each of th ose noors. Member G;;me n stated the doc ument I rece iv ed said , "the height will accommodate a two s1ory structure with a pi1 ched roof." Ms. Lnn go n said yes . Mr. Garren said ifwe can 't de fin e who 1 a sto ry is 1hen thi s is in co rre ct Ms . Langon rep lied . yes. but \\ho t I was tryi ng 10 say is , the nomia l way so meo ne wo uld de sc ribe a house wou ld be by stories not by height. rm sayi ng 1hn1 wh hin 32 feel !hat wou ld accomm odate two stories of 8 10 10 fo ot ce ilin gs, in that ran ge. yo ur sp ac e betwee n noors and a pitched roof. Member Garre n said .just so yo u know fr om my pers pective, l think ofa two story house wi 1h a pitched roof co mple1ely diffe re nt than a three story house wilh a Oat roof. I just think of th at differe ntl y. Ms . L:rn gon sai d right Mr. Garren said ~•ou ga\'e me the impre ss ion that that was wha t we wo uld be appro vin g ... a two SIOf)' house with a pitched roof. But th ere is nothing here in the PUD th at hos that kind of linutation in it. Ms. Lnngo n said that is co rre ct. you ore approving a hei gi n limit Cou ncil Member Wo losyn said I wo uld s.ay that the is sue is 1101 th e number of storie s. it's th e height. th ink 32 fee t ma y be exc ess ive . I know Eng le wood has a 17 foot hei glu res tricti on right now, but we nil th ink that is excessi ve ly low. We have learned that 1ha1 has made it \'e ry hard 10 ex pand houses . So . I th ink 32 docs sei:m ex cess ive to me, gi\·en !IIOl e\'e n in Denver, it is 30 . ri.,tn yo r Bradshaw said I can onl y speak fr om li vi ng nex t IO o PUD in Lin leton. which abuts my ba ck yard. whi ch was sold 10 th e neighbo rs as a two -s tory. Then the y sa id tho 1 didn't include th e pitc ··d roof and that al so did n'1 include th e eleva 1ion of the si te. Since then we los1 our whole mountain view . My concern is 1ha1 32 feel is 100 hig h. she sa id. ~it s. Lang on said that 's ,,hy you want 10 use a numb er rather than storie s. Yo ur de scri pt ion of stories . in the ::i ic ·11io n you just de sc ribed . is exact ly wh y yo u don '1 want to say sto ri es . You wa ru 10 hnve a num br.r, 1hJt is a definabl e m.1mbi:r . Ma yo r Bradshaw asked if that 32 feet included th e roof. Ms. Lllngon rep lied that our definition of he ig ht is 10 1he highes t point ... fr om grade 10 1he highes t poi nt. Ma yor Bradsha w asked from what point on the grou nd. Ms. La ngo n sai d on an avcTJge poinl olcr.g the i:.rade al the fron t of the house . Ma yo r Bradshaw sm ed I do 1101 li kt" .• 1a1. I do11·1 kn ow what you ca n do. 1 :iis is not our 1imc fo r a lot of inp u1 , bul that 32 fe et is ve ry h,g h. I know, I live right by i1 ! se c it and I do n'1 see the mountains e\'ery da y. Mayor Bra dshaw asked if 1hcrc we re an y oili er que stions fo r Ms. Lan go n. • • • • • • Eng lewoo d Ci ty Co uncil Nove mber 4. 2002 Pugc 11 Ma yor Br~cl sha w s:w:d she th ought her question was fo r Mr . Pappa s. Th ere is no de veloper , is that corrc ·I'! The rc:i son we did n't re ce ive clev :itions on thi s. is tha1 there is no de sign . Mr. Popp :i s 1erlicd ll u,I is corre c1. It is my undcrsrnnding in wo rking with Ms. Lan go n and the Plannin g Dcparuncm. ,lu: ,,...-.arc es tabl ishi ng a zo ne di stric t, mu ch like an y other zo ne district in th e Ci 1y. When you est:1. l;1;h Jll IJ. I-A or R-1 -C some pl:i ce in 1hc Ci ty, yo u do not h:ive architectural j cs ign guidelin es with those zo n,:s. Ir you take ano 1her zo ne in th e Chy that ha s v:ic:mt lo1s, such as R-1-A, 1he R-1-A just define :; the di stri ct standard s. On this proj ect, Mr . DiPane is th e developer and he is the owner . As we go forward wi th th is proje ct, 1here is infra stru c1ure that need s to be done, house s 10 be designed and such . Ri ght no w. th e intention is for Mr. DiPane to do that work. as yo u kn ow. The rea so n Mr. Bod ley may have asked that question is , :i s wi th uuy de velopmem, you must fir st go throug h th e zo ning in order to ha ve the zo ning . And th en you co r.ie though with a l>1.1 i:~•r/deve loper ,~ t •,1ld the propenies. Current ly, with the eco nom ic climate as it is. 1here may t..._ <1 ,.11lc ::: ·< \'f dela y. \Vt" t,ad o,·iginally pl anned on starting houses immedi:itcl y. There ma y be a dcla :; : , ... :P~p~ 1 ln ;lil.rlin g th '>se holl'.es . At an y tim e, thin gs can chonge. but right now th e intention is 10 go tor ,• . .1 1d w :1i1 u and Mr . DiPa1,c ::; th e dev elope r. ri.•la yo r Bradshaw sa id I understa nd that tbs is th e proce ss, but my con cern is in 1he development. and ma ybe we ca n put thi s in as an additi on. tha t we need to be mindful of the angle of the sun and the impact r-n the properlie s on the north wi th the hei gh, in thi s proJe ct. Ha s th at been taken into considera tir.,r.? You don 't ha \'e a de sign yet. she said, so forgc1 it. Mr . Pappa s said he would likc 10 make a s1a 1ement to fo ll ow that a littk bi1. Tlw R-1-A Singk-Fam il y Res idence indi ca te s th c exis 1ing co de has a 25 foo l maximum building height for a prin cipal bui lding . I'm going to try to answer Mr . Garrcu's que stion, he said . As Ms. Lan gon indicated , a si ngle famil y home , as de signed. 1ypica ll y ha s fir st noo r lcvel approxima1e ly two feet :ibove what we ca ll mea n grade . These sites :ire re lati,·cl y flat . so if you were a1 th e front rl oo r of thc house. where th e house comc s out of the ground . yo u would take 1ha1 clev:11ion arou nd th e house . go two fee t and yo u would ha ve th e main no or. What we arc e,wi si onin g for thi s nowada ys i~ that houses ofthb typ e wou ld have. approximate ly. a 9 foot cei ling hc:ight to a JO foo t ce ilin g height on the main level . Say that is 9 feet . you wo uld have approx imatel y a foot for your noorto fl oo r, so yo u've go t 2 feet plus 9 feet is 11 , plu s I is I 2 plus 8 or 9 feet on the second floor. which would bring you up to 20 or 21. an d then you ha ve a slope d roof on th at house. Mo st houses . in Den ver and in 1hc area of Englewood. arc designed with slop ed roofs. It is a very popular building type. I wo uld say. It is co nceivable tha t with a J2 fo ot height, you cou ld build three floor s of8 feet each and have a nat roof. You wo uld ha ve a very tall , box y building . I don't know if yo u wou ld have a building th at wo uld be :ittra cti ve :ind sale able. but it is co nceivable 1hat yo u co uld do 1ha1. 1 think if the height is an iss ue . we \\o uld certa inl y be wi ll ing 10 consider so me type of conditi on or sumething lower ... wc would like to think poss ibly in the JO foot rang e ifwe we re to lower it. because of the typ es of project s we are doing. He no1ed i1 is diffi cult to desc ribe :i ho use as a two story ~C\use. Mr. Bodley indicated hi s i-.vo story gn rden level house is 17 !~cl and wuh a g. de n level, I assum e ,,1.: fo st floor is about 3 or 4 feet into th e gro :mcl. You co ml' up S fee t fr om 1hat and yo u ha ve another 'i to ry . Tirn1 's a ga rden level on e an rl a half stories . So. it is rea ll y ha rd to use 1hat type of :i se mantic fo r wha t a story is . Thi s is where we came up with a he1gl11 . Denver uses a bulk plane that s11irts 10 feet above the property line and the1: slopes up at 45 degrel'S on a 50 foo 1 lot th at wou ld be so me place betwce n 30 and 35 feet . depending upo n th e wid th of1he Im. The way th ese !:ouses arc arrange d. the long side of the propen y. on the two north prope rti es, runs east and west. so you mig ht envisio n :i ridge line running east and west so 1ha1 th e slope cast and west come s th i-; way . so the sun wo uld come along down th ere. \Ve don·1 envision it be in g 32 fe et Bl the nonh property line . I hope that an:.wcrs the ques ti on. he said . Mayo r Brad shaw asked if that an swered the que sti on. Mnyo r Bradsha w ask ed if1herc were an y 01hc r que stio ns. Thi:re were none . Dan Dul :i nc y. 292i So u1h Laf::iyene Dri ve. sa id I am an Eng lewood res ident and also an :irchi1e c1. I've loo ked .:i.1 1his 10 1. thi s weed pat ch. for a Ions time and it wc,uld oe nic e 10 se c so met hing built on it . II has Englcwom.l Cily Co uncil Nonmhcr -t 2002 P~gc 12 coll ected a lot of1rash over !~1 yea rs :mi ii ha s 110 1 been take n care of. It wo uld be nice to se c houses on the properly to infill tlu lor. ! Jo have , con cern wil h 1he height ;ind I think with wha t he jus1 sa id aboul 30 fce1 . I th ink tha t woul d be ti g.oud co mp •o misc. II would bring ii down to where they almosl have 10 do two s1orit:s and the y wou ld be abl · to aopc tb e 1hc north property owners. I gue :;s that is all I hav e to say, he said. as I wan ted 10 keep 1h 1s 1c-u; .v sh<Jrt . ~laril yn Chl)ng . 3050 South nivers1ty Boul evard , said thBt I live ri ghl str:1i ght a.:ros s the 'ilfCct frnm 1his pro po sal , I h:l\'c s:11 at me eti ng Jft cr meeti ng after meeting Jnd heard one 1hing :iftcr anoth er slnll.k down and I th ink it woul d be exce ll ent to see housi ng in there . Whal worrie s me is thal someday a 7 Eleve n wi ll co me m there in stead. and I think tha1 wa y you will ha ve some real cQncem s. Mr. Bod ley . Is there a st1-in- s1011c lim it 10 a one -s 1ory ho11sc.? I wou ld ha1e 10 sec the 1wo-story or whatever g'l through , be cause if I so choose.; can build :i 1wo sto ry house. each story 90 fee l, and that is a big sk ysc ra per. So. a two -slory or a one -s tory or 11 star~· limitat io n seems very foo lis h to me, she said , be r au se what we conceive ofas a story loda y. m:i y very well change in live yea rs. Thank you . John Guw s, 3950 South Ban nock Street. said some of 1he members hne know me. l"m a litt le bi1 familiar wit h th is proJe CI and I JU St want 10 point out a fr-w th ings aboul it. \Vi: live in a urban sening ;i nd yo u ca n't expect every block not , cve n1u :1 ll y, 10 be dc velo ,e i . and ii see m<i: liii:e a fa irl y responsib le deve lop ment He poi nt ed out that you co uld end up with a church eventually owning tha t land Jnd building anothe r lar~e bu ilc'in g there. II would probab ly have a park ing 101 on ii as well and yo u wo uld have pr opl e milling :i:round all the lime . I don·1 th ink 1ha 1 wou ld be a very good alternative . I gre w up in l inleton. he said , and ou r house bordered a piece of laud owned by the wa ler wo rk s, When my dad boui;'lt the house, he wa s promi se( that it wou ld never be dew:loped . Well, gue ss whal , il's bein g deve loped. l>01d so things lik e th is happen . The heighl li mi1a1io n is son-;:.:wh:11 ofa co nce rn . As far as th e su nli ght goe s ... yc,;; th is time of th e ye:i r 1he ~un is very low in the sky. but it al so moves across the horizon . It ma y be bl ocked at certain times of 1he da ;.. but i1 won '1 be blocked all da y. That's all I have to say . Thunk yo u. he sai d. Ma:•'>r Brad shaw thanked Mr. Ga 1es. Ma yor Brad shaw asked if th ere was :in yone el se who wo uld lik e to add ress thi s iss ue. The re wa s no one el se:. COUNCIi. ~IDIBH\ GARRETT MOVE D, AND IT WAS SECONDED, TO CLOSE THE P UBLIC HEARJ NG . Ayes : Nays : Ab sent: Council ~lcmt..:rs Nab holz , Garren. Wolos)11. Yurchi ck, Gr:1 zuli s, Brad shaw None Counci l Member Moore Motion carried and the Public Heari ng closed . Mayor Drad shlw stated 1hat Co unci l ,vi ii ta ke thi s under ad"i sement. We do n't us ua ll y mak e dl'..:i sio ns th e same nig ht as 1he publi c hearing. she said . 10. Consenl Agenda COUNCIi. ~IDIBER GARRETT MOVED. AND IT WAS SECONDED, TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 10 (a) (I) and (ii), 10 (b) (I), (ii), (i ii ), (i v), M , (vi) und (••ii), (c) (I), (Ii) and (iii). (a ) Ap pro\'al of Ordinances on First Read ing (i) CO NCIL B ILL NO. 60. INTROD UC ED DY CO U:-IC IL MEMBER GARRE'l7' • • • • • Eng lewoo d City Cou nci l ·o"ember ~. 2002 Page 13 A BILL FOR AN ORDINA , CE APPROVING AN INTERGOVERNME 'TAL AGREEMENT (IGA) BETWEEN THE CITY OF ENGLEWOOD. COL ORADO, AND THE REGIONAL HA ZARDOUS MAT ERIALS BOARD OF ARAPAHOE'DOUGLA COU TIE S FOR THE PURPOSE OF HA ZARDO US UBSTANCE PLANNING IN THE EVENT OF THE OCCURRENCE OF HA ZARDO US SUBSTANCE INC IDE NTS IN THE AREA . (ii) COUNC IL BILL NO . 59, INTRODUCED BY COUNC IL MEMBER GARRETr A BILL FOR AN ORD INANCE APPROVING AN INTERGOVER NMEN7AL AGREEMENT (IGA) FOR MUTUAL AID BETWEE N FIRE DEPARTMENTS . (b) Approval ..,rf>rdina nces on Second Reading (i) ORDINANCE NO . 52. SERIES OF 2002 (COUNC IL BILL NO . 50 , INTRODU CED BY COUNC IL MEMBER GRAZ LIS ) AN ORD INANCE FIXING THE TAX LEVY IN MILLS UPON EAC H DOLLAR OF THE ASSESSE D VAL UATION OF ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY OF ENG LEWOOD . COLORADO . (ii) ORD INANCE NO . 53, SERIES OF 200 2 (COUNC IL BILL NO . 5 1, 11'TRODUCED BY COUNC IL MEMBER GRAZ LIS) AN ORD INANCE ADOPTING THE BUDGET OF THE CITY OF ENGLEWOOD, COLORADO, FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2003. (iii) ORDINANCE NO. 54, SE RIE S OF 2002 /COUNC IL BILL NO . 52, INTRODUCED BY COUNC IL MEMBER GRAZU LIS) AN ORD INANCE APPROPR IAT ING MONIES FOR ALL MUN ICIP AL PURPOSES IN THE CITY OF E:-IGLEWOOD. CO LORADO , IN THE FI SCA L YEAR BEG INN ING JANUARY I, 2003, AND ENDING DECEMBER 3 1, 2003. CONSTITUT ING WHAT IS TERMED THE ANNUAL APPROPR IATION BILL FOR THE Fl CA L YEAR 2003 . (iv) ORD INANCE NO . 55 , SERIES OF 2002 (COUNC IL BILL NO. 55 , r.-lTRODUCED BY COUNC IL ME~IIJER WOLOSYN) AN ORD INANCE ADOPT ING THE BUDGET FOR THE LITrLETONIENGLEIVOOD ll'ASTE WATE!: TREATMENT PLANT FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2003 . (v) ORD INANCE NO . 56, SERIES OF 2002 (COUNC IL IJILL NO . 56. INTROD C,,D BY COUNC IL ME~-IBER WOLOSYN) AN ORD INANCE APPROPR IATING MO NIES FOR TH E LITrLETON /ENGLEIVOOD IV ,\STEW ATER TREATME NT PLA NT P RPOS ES IN THE FISCAL YEAR BEG INN ING JA NUARY I. 2003, N ,D END ING DECEMBER 3 1, 2003 , CONS TITUTING WHAT IS TER.,"1ED THE ANNUAL APPROPR IATION BIL:. FOR THE FIS CAL YEAR 2003 . (vi) ORD INANCE NO . 57, SER IES OF 2002 (C OUNCIL BILL NO . 57, INTROD UC ED BY COUN CIL MEMBER WOLO SYN) AN ORD INANCE AUTHORIZ IKG AN INTE RGOVERNMF.'.<TAL AGREEMENT ENT ITLED "MA1'.l uE MDIT AGREEMENT" BETWEE N THE CITY OF ENGLEWOOD AND THE Englewood Cily Council No,·embtr 4 1 2002 P•gc 14 ENG LEWOOD HOUS ING AUTH ORITY PERTA INING TO THE MANAGEMENT OF PROP ERTY OWNED BY THE CITY . (,•ii) ORDI NAN CE 1'0. 5 , SER<" Or 2002 (COUNCIL BILL NO . 58, INTRODU CE D DY COUNC IL MEMBER GRA ZU LI S) AN ORD INA CE AME NDI NG TITLE 4, SECT ION 4, HAPT':R 4,, IJBSECT IO N 7, PARA GRAP H C, OF TH E ENGLEWOOD MUNIC IP AL CODE 2no0TO RED l.Ct n .i' RETA INE D BY VEN DOR S ON SALES TAX RETU RNS . (c) Re so lu1i ons and Mo1ions (i) RESOLUT IO N NO. 96. SE RI ES OF 2002 A RESOLUTIO N TRANSFERRING FUN DS FROM THE CAPITAL EQ UIPMENT REPLA CEMENT, PUBLI C IMPROVEMENT AND CAP ITAL PROJECT S FUN DS TO THE GENERAL FUND. (ii) AL\THORJZING THE LIBRARY'S ANNUAL "FOO D FOR FINES " PROGRAM FROM MONDAY , NOVEMBER 18, THRO UGH FRJDA Y, DECEMBER 20. 2002 . (iii) THE PURC HA S~ ANn INSTALLATION OF FE NCIN G AT Mc LELLA N RESERVOIR. Voce resules: Ayes : Nays: Ab se nt: Motio n ca rri ed. 11 . Reg ular Agenda Cou ncil Members Na bholz. Garre n. Wolosyn. Yu rchic k, Grazuli s, Bradshaw None Cou ncil Member MN •,e (a) \pprova l of Ord inan ces on First Rea din g Th ere were no additio nal items submin ed fo r approva l on fir st rea ding . (See Age nda Item 10 -Consc-nt Agenda.) (b) Approva l of Ordinances on Second Rea di ng There we re no additi ona l i1 ems submitted fo r approval on second read ing. (See Agenda It em IO -Co nse nt Agenda.) (c) Re so lut ions and Motions There were no addi ti onal re so lut io ns or motions submitted for app rova l. (Se c Agenda hem 10 -Consent Agenda .) 12. Gener al Di sc ussio n (a) Ma yo r's Choice (i) [Clerk's note: See Age nda hem 12 (b) (ii).] (b) Counc il Members · Choice • • • • • • Englewood Cily Co uncil Nove mb er 4, lOOl JI.ag e IS (i) Council Membe r Un rren slated that at th e Stu dy Sess ion. I submi tt ed 11 proposed budgi:t for my !rip to Cha rl oue, No nh Carolina, 10 anend the 8 ownficlds 2002 Annua l Co nference. Engle wood ha s wo n the EPA Re gio n 8 Award , he sa id , on d I ,vi''. he there repre sc n1i11g the Ci ty a nd I wou ld like th e Counci l to approve my budget of$ 1.05 5.C'D . COU ',C IL ~!EMBER WOLOSYN MOVED, AND IT\\ S SECONDED, TO APPROVE COL ,C II. MEMBER GARRETT'S TRAVEL BUDGET . Motion ca rried . Ayes: Nnys: Abstai n: Absent Counci l Mem bers N11bholz, \Vo losyn, Yurchi ck, Grazu li s, Bradshaw None Co un ci l Member Garren Counci l Member Moore (ii ) Mayor Br ls haw stated they needed to talk abou t RTD rou1e 12 . Council Member Wo losyn said :hat. even though I did n't see anybody here on th e other side, I underst,md that Commu nity Development has had calls concerni ng it and it see ms to me 1ha1 RTD rn:1y not hn.ve give n it a compkte p1 1bli c discus sion . Did I unders1a nd Lauri Dannemiller 10 say th::1 we ca n ask !hem to reopen ii and havl' another hea ring'! Ma yor Brad shaw stated th at the two sugges tion s are 10 cond uct a seco nd publi c hearing prior 10 Jan uary 11 ' or de lay the change until th e next schedu led service change in Ma y 2003. where another Public Hearing can ga ge rider interest. Co un ci l Membe r Wolosyn s;i.irJ si11ce it seems 11:i be pan of 1hc di scuss ion ri ght no w, I would like them to do ii before Januar y. Ma yor Bradsh::i.w said the sad thing is that trying to nm an y kind of public mee ting this lim e of the year is very diffi cu lt . :is we all know. I don't know ifth::i.t would be fai r. I wo ul d propose that we 1101 do ::i.nyt hin g until 1hc nex t sc heduled sc:rvice chan ge in Ma y and ask fo r another meeting . Counci l Member Garren s1::i.1ed lh JI in essence we are goi ng to say, because we are hearing inpul on both sides. tha t we woul<I ask them 10 delay any imp lementation until th ey held another Pub lic Hea ring wi th proper noti ce . Ma yo r Br:idshaw noted that people from Orch,ud Place and Malley Ce nt er are also co ncerned . t\•ls. Wolos yn sta ted her concern is 1ha1 by the time May co mes around th ey rn:1y do 1he sa me thing 3nd wc·re back in the sa me pla ce . Mr. Garren stated th:11 if th ey haw given proper notice 10 th e ci tizens and they have been give n the opportu nity to voice their co ncerns and everyone knows 1hat it is h. ·1 pe11ing , then th at's what happe ns. ouncll t--·lcmbcr \Vo losyn said I don 't wan t to be faced \,·i th th e same issues again in six months . t\'1Jyor Br::i.dshiiw s::1id my idea is just 10 leave it 1he way it is. so this is a co mpromise on my pan. Ju st 10 say th:u's the way ii is going to bc. le1 sj us1 leave it the way it is. Cou ncil Member Wol osyn asked if she wJs saying that ,11e RTD position stands. that their de cision sta nds , ~fa yer Brad shn.w said no. that we leave the route 1he way it has 3(w:1ys been . Englewood City Council 'O\'Cmbcr -4, 2002 Page 16 Counci l Member \Volo syn ~id ii i~. no r our decision 10 make ... 1s it " M,,yor Bradshilw said yes it is. Co unci l Member Garrl'!lt !aid l 1!1 :ught the y had already voted !O change the rout e. M;\yo r Bradsh:iw said that is rig ht. Mr . Garrett saic1 tile Jlntus quCl is thn1 1he rou1e s hii 1.<r been changed . Ma yo r Brad shaw said then what \W :·•ed 10 do is write a letter to dela y the change until the next mecring , until the y have heard fr om bo1h s:..:.:::, because we are not mediators fo r thjs , thi s is their dea l. City Manager Sears said the lett er i:: 10 ask 1l.at they no! char,g the route until they, at leas t, have an other Public Hea ri ng . Co un ci l Memb er Garrett asked that we add that we would like rh c citizens noticed in a mann er different than before , wf1 ir!J was on the bu ~. Mayor Bradsh .. · said we would like the ge ntleman that spoke thi s evening to be noticed . Ma yor Bradshaw said Mr. Zavist came up 10 us at the mee tin g when we were down there and just said "by th e wa y, is it okay ifwe change thi s route" ::md I questioned what he was refere ncing. Council Member Wol os yn said we discu ssed it and it seemed as ifhe was doing it for the re aso n of making the short es1 di stan ce between two points. Ma yo r Brad sha w saio I would rJther have us dela y this , if that is Co uncil's pl eas ure . City Manager Se:irs said we will notify Mr. Zavist al so, of thi s decis ion . Mayor Bradshaw sai d ha ve a lett er ready :ind I will sign it. 13. City Manager's Repo rt Ci ty Mana ge r Sears did not ha ve an y mntters 10 bring befo re Council. 14. Ci ty A1torney 1s Rcporl City Attorne y Brotzman di d not ha ve any matlers to bring befo re Council. 15. Adjournmcnl MAYOR BRADSHAW MOVED TO ADJOURN. Th, meeiin g odj oumed ot 8:50 p.m. ~/{4 • •