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City of Englewood, Colorado
ENGLEWOOD TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE
Minutes of November 14, 2002
The regular meeting of the Englewood Transportation Advisory Committee was called to order by
Chairperson Anderson at 7:00 p.m. in the City of Englewood Community Room.
Members Present: David Anderson
Joe Christie
Gary Dounay
Betty Goosman
Barbara Hodge
Cinda Losee (Alternate Member)
Ken Ross, Director of Public Works, ex officio
Members Absent: None
A quorum was present.
Also Present: Judge Vince Atencio
Approval of Minutes
Police Lieutenant John Collins
Ladd Vostry, Traffic Engineer
Wendy Gracy, Traffic Analyst
Linda Wilks, Recording Secretary
See attached sign-in sheet
Chairperson Anderson asked if there were any additions or corrections to the minutes of October 10,
2002. There being none, a motion was made and seconded to approve the minutes as presented. Motion
passed.
Public Comment
Mr. Bicker noted he is accompanying his son to this evening's meeting to gather information for a Boy
Scout project.
Old Business
• Chairperson Anderson introduced Judge Vince Atencio, who is present to address ETAC's speeding and
traffic concerns. Judge Atencio thanked Committee Members for inviting him to the meeting, and began his
discussion with some general questions and comments:
1. Does anyone think speeding is a problem in Englewood? Mr. Anderson stated that everyone is
aware there is a "perceived" problem. Judge Atencio advised he receives numerous
communications through different City departments and through City Council packets regarding
ETAC's concerns as well as those of citizens and staff members.
2. Is speeding a problem throughout the entire City of Englewood? Committee Members concurred
that it is .
3. Why do we have traffic enforcement? Public safety, behavior modification and prevention were
suggested .
4. Do ETAC Members agree with citizen perception that Englewood is deficient in enforcement of
speeding and traffic issues? Alternate Member Losee opined that individuals who do not become
involved in learning the City's policies and practices, do, in fact, hold this perception.
5. Do you have a different perception of how other cities handle speeding and traffic issues?
Discussion ensued regarding the perception of stricter enforcement and fines in jurisdictions such
as Sheridan and Cherry Hills. Committee Member Dounay opined that it is not uncommon to
observe Cherry Hills officers issuing citations on Belleview Ave. Judge Atencio asserted that
Englewood often deals with peoples' perceptions regarding these issues. Mr. Anderson
emphasized that citizen perception that was revealed in the Transportation Study cannot be
denied, and it must be given consideration. Judge Atencio opined that determination has to be
made between perception and reality, which makes a huge difference in the way you deal with a
problem.
6. When talking about safety, are we trying to avoid acodents? Yes, accidents and fear of accidents.
7. When you provide enforcement, then, are you looking to reduce accidents where they are known
to occur? Preventing accidents where they might occur? Judge Atencio stated the areas in
Englewood identified with the most accidents are Santa Fe and Dartmouth, Broadway and
Belleview, and the Hampden corridor east of Broadway, none of which are residential streets. Mr.
Dounay commented that the high rate of accidents at these locations is identified by statistics,
however, citizens want to ensure that statistics are not accumulated in residential neighborhoods.
Brief discussion ensued regarding the City's limited resources, keeping a focus on maintaining
peace and quiet in the neighborhood areas, increased traffic volume, increased speeding, and
increased violation of all traffic regulations.
8. Who are the people who are speeding on the arterial roadways? On residential roadways?
Members surmised that the majority of drivers on the arterials pass through Englewood from other
jurisdictions of the metro area, while the majority of drivers on the residential roadways are most
likely neighbors or other Englewood residents.
Regarding enforcement of traffic violations, Judge Atencio reported that, while Englewood officers do
write some traffic offenses into the Arapahoe County Court, there were 5,000 traffic offenses filed in the
Englewood Municipal Court in the year 1997. At the current pace for 2002, 10,500 traffic cases will have
been filed by the end of the year. Judge Atencio stated the perception that there is a lack of enforcement in
Englewood does not seem to be valid.
Judge Atencio briefly discussed his role as an elected judge, stating he cannot make City policy
governing such topics as code enforcement issues or posted speed limits.
Judge Atencio revealed that the current Traffic Division speed charts for residential streets indicate that
85% of motorists are driving within 5 mph of the speed limit; however, that figure also indicates that 15%
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There was considerable discussion pertaining to the methodology used to establish the dollar amount
for traffic violation fines. Judge Atencio stated that behavior modification can only be accomplished when
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individuals are brought before him in court through the citation process. The Department of Motor Vehicles
• point assessment schedule is used to establish the Bench Traffic Fine Schedule:
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1 - 4 mph over the speed limit -0 points
5 -9 mph - 1 point
10 -19 mph - 4 points
20 -39 mph 6 points
40 & over -12 points
Judge Atencio discussed his perception of fairness regarding Englewood's traffic fine schedule in
relation to promoting respect for the law. The punishment must be in proportion to the severity of the
offense . In a recent survey of 20 jurisdictions, four point tickets, first offense, 7 cities had fines of $80, 10
cities with lower fines, and 3 cities had fines of $100 (Denver, Westminster, Wheat Ridge). Judge Atencio
offered that being subjected to going through the process of enforcement, the experience of being issued a
ticket and paying a fine, is, in many cases, enough to change the behavior of drivers. However, others are
not affected by the experience, don't modify their behavior, and receive numerous tickets. Tickets in
Englewood are divided into two categories , the less serious Traffic Infractions, and Traffic Offenses, which
are careless driving, 6 point speeding, eluding offenses. A traffic infraction citation, such as a 4 point
speeding ticket, provides the opportunity for a driver with a good driving record (no citations in the past two
years) to enter a plea bargain with the City Attorney to reduce the points, and this can be accomplished by
telephone, and mailing the reduced points fine to the court. This system is set up for drivers the court
ex pects will modify their behavior as a result of this experience .
A driver with a bad driving record, or has not paid fines from other jurisdictions, is not given the
opportunity to plea bargain. They can either mail in their 4 point fine, or they can go to the court and plead
not guilty, set up a court date, return a second time to speak to the City Attorney, who will then make the
offer to lower the points on the condition the driver attends a driving school -Level 1, one day Saturday
class, $50; Level 2, two evening classes, $90; Level 3 (high number of citations), 12 hour class, $110.
These classes are designed to change the behavior of drivers with numerous driving offenses. After
comp leting the class, the driver will return to court to appear before the Judge, at which time he will impose
the fine. Judge Atencio noted he is a proponent of the driving classes because of their focus on driving
habits and attitudes.
Referring to Englewood's traffic fine schedule, copies of which were distributed to Members, Judge
Atencio reviewed the graduated fine rates for offense points and number of offenses. Judge Atencio
emphasized the thought given by the court system in handling Englewood's traffic offenses, involves the
graduated fine schedule, as well as behavior modification.
Judge Atencio added that he has the authority to suspend any amount of the scheduled fine, which
provides him the means to individualize each case that is presented to him. It is his hope that individuals
appearing before him will be less likely to be repeat offenders as a result of the court's ruling, whether it be
fines, driving class, etc.
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Judge Atencio read a quote from former governor, Richard Lamb, "There's nothing more important to
community than justice. People must feel that they are fairly treated and that when justice is administered,
it is even-handed in proportion." Judge Atencio stated he feels he deals with traffic cases according to this
quote. He stated that most people who come in contact with a court will most likely be in contact with a
municipal court, and probably for a traffic offense. Judge Atencio expressed a strong responsibility for
Englewood's court to establish the respect for laws that some folks feel we've lost. Citizens have to have a
feeling they are treated fairly within the system, otherwise there is a breakdown in the respect for the law in
general.
There was brief discussion regarding the effectiveness of the fine schedule, and the possibility of
doubling fines. Judge Atencio advised that the presiding judge has the authority to impose any fine he sees
necessary, but generally, he will stick to Englewood's fine schedule. With regard to increased or doubled
fines for speeding in school zones, Judge Atencio reported that a recent survey indicated that 7 jurisdictions
impose increased fines for school zones while 11 do not. He noted that behavior modification in these areas
will occur because of posted signage, "Fines Doubled in School Zones", not because of increased or doubled
fines they receive in court. Judge Atencio advised that his set policy for speeding in school zones is no
suspension of any part of a fine regardless of your driving record.
Judge Atencio encouraged everyone interested to come and observe a court session at anytime. He
also encourages school groups, Cub Scouts, church groups, etc., to visit the court. He suggested contacting
the court ahead of time for a schedule of the types of court cases.
In response to Committee Member Dounay's inquiry, Judge Atencio advised that careless driving and
running a stop sign or red light are 4 point tickets, while reckless driving is an 8 point ticket.
Judge Atencio discussed citations for elderly drivers, stating that he often makes referrals to the AARP
driving class for individuals of this age group. He noted that in cases involving senior citizens where he feels
they are no longer able to drive, he will contact the Department of Motor Vehicles requesting that the
individual be retested.
Chairperson Anderson thanked Judge Atencio for his enlightening presentation.
• Director Ross reported that the January ETAC meeting will be held at Cherrelyn Elementary School, in
response to the direction received from City Council to take the meetings out to the community. An
advisement will be placed in the upcoming Englewood Citizen. Additionally, the principal of Cherrelyn has
agreed that we can send home a notification brochure with each student to advise parents of the meeting.
Mr. Ross suggested that the meetings in schools be scheduled every other month so that advisements can
be made in the bi-monthly publication of the Citizen. Committee concurred.
• Referring to copies of a map depicting possible locations for the Variable Speed Board Signs, Director
Ross discussed staff's approach in selecting Englewood's five primary speed hazard locations on the collector
streets. Using the available speed data, staff determined that the Oxford "hill", Logan St. between Princeton
and Tufts Aves., Dartmouth Ave. between Lafayette and Vine Sts., Logan St. south of Bates Ave., and
Clarkson St. north of Quincy Ave. are the five locations with the highest priority based upon the amount of
speeding currently being experienced. These locations were determined as a result of speed studies that
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were conducted when citizens· expressed their concerns regarding high speeds at these locations over the
• last 3-4 years. The City will begin the program by placing two Variable Speed Board Signs, conducting
before and after speed studies, and then, at that time, determine the effectiveness of the signs and whether
or not the purchase of additional signs is warranted. The cost for the signs is approximately $10,000 for two
signs. Placement of the signs is dependent on Xcel Energy's time table for installing the required electrical
access. Alternate Member Losee noted that double yellow lines have not yet been placed at the location on
Dartmouth Ave. between Lafayette and Vine Sts. and vehicles are, dangerously, passing other vehicles.
Alternate Member Losee reported that Sergeant Knoth conducted a speed study on Dartmouth Ave.
between Clarkson and Downing Sts., and because of the results of the study, the Police Traffic Unit has
placed that stretch of roadway on their priority list for frequent monitoring for traffic violations. Director
Ross stated he will get the results of the study from Sergeant Knoth and offer whatever assistance staff can
provide to help change the traffic pattern in that area. Ms. Losee noted that police officers have had
difficulty with their new traffic counting equipment, having to complete the count manually. Traffic Engineer
Vostry noted he will place his equipment for a follow-up count. At Committee Member Christie's inquiry, Mr.
Vestry advised that his Traffic Division has six traffic counters that are routinely placed and rotated to
various locations at the request of concerned citizens, or through staff's continuous monitoring efforts. The
counters are placed at each location for approximately one week, weather permitting, to obtain an accurate
average speed count. These traffic counts are used to differentiate between perceived and actual speeding
• problems . The statistics indicate that 85% of drivers travel at or below the speed limit, while 15% travel
above the speed limit. Discussion ensued regarding the effectiveness of installing 25 mph speed limit signs
in residential neighborhoods.
New Business
There was no new business.
Director's Choice
• Traffic Engineer Vestry reported that he recently met with a classroom of students from Flood Middle
School regarding their concerns pertaining to traffic issues, i.e., operation of traffic signals, pedestrian
safety, etc. Additionally, Mr. Vestry discussed with the students the City 's plan to upgrade the signal at
Broadway and Kenyon Ave., explaining the process involved and the time table for installation, completion of
which is planned for 2004. Mr. Vestry noted that, following the pedestrian accident involving one of their
fellow students last fall, this classroom of students organized and visited each classroom in the school to
speak about pedestrian safety. Mr. Vestry expressed his appreciation for the interest and concerns
expressed by these students.
• Director Ross noted his response to a letter from student Courtney Herzog regarding some traffic
signage concerns, speed humps and enforcement on Delaware St. Copies of his response were distributed
• to ETAC Members during the 6:30 p.m. study session meeting.
• With regard to installation of the Broadway and Oxford Ave. traffic signal, Traffic Engineer Vestry
reported that construction began in early November. Installation of caissons and signal poles is complete, as
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well as underground boring and pulling wire. Next week, signal head work will begin, and it is expected that
the signal will be fully operational in two to three weeks.
• Director Ross stated that the water line installation on Elati St. for the RTD maintenance facility is
complete. He expressed his disappointment with regard to the contractor's consideration of the residents
affected by the project.
• With regard to his response to a request from the Americans with Disabilities Act Access Board for input
pertaining to their proposed guidelines, Director Ross advised that 1,700 entities responded to ADA with
similar comments. Mr. Ross is in hopes they will give consideration to the concerns expressed. Chairperson
Anderson added that there is a web site, access-board.gov, with a page dedicated to the comments
received. Mr. Anderson stated the information is very informative, i.e., the ridges now being placed in the
handicap ramps are specifically to alert blind cane users of the drop-off.
• Director Ross advised that the two current one-year ETAC Members, Mr. Christie and Mr. Dounay, must
reapply at this time to indicate their intention that they would like to continue serving on the Committee
after their terms expire February 1, 2003. An interview will not be necessary. This Committee was first
formed in February, 2002; members were appointed with one and two year staggered terms.
• Director Ross advised he will be addressing City Council on Monday night regarding reducing the City's
residential speed limit to 25 mph. Brief discussion ensued.
Chairperson's Choice
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Chairperson Anderson reported that last month he attended the RTD meeting with City Council to hear •
Council's presentation regarding the Bates Ave. Light Rail Station. Because of the current economic
downfall, RTD has cancelled their plans to construct a light rail station at Bates Ave., which Englewood was
counting on to serve as a center for residential and commercial development. To obtain sufficient funds for
this and other projects, RTD will have to request a vote of the citizens for approval of a tax increase for the
needed "FasTracks" funds.
Chairperson Anderson updated Committee Members on the enhancement that has been made to the
ETAC web page. He noted that an additional page has been added that lists the names of Committee
Members, and asked that anyone with other ideas for enhancing ETAC's web page to bring them up for
discussion.
Committee Members' Choice
Referring to public comments contained in the attachment to Mr. Ross' memorandum regarding
residential speed limits, Committee Member Hodge inquired about widening the Dartmouth and Broadway
intersection, or at the least, restriping Dartmouth at Broadway, to increase eastbound Dartmouth to
northbound Broadway volume. Currently, vehicles are blocked from entering the turn lane by others waiting
in the through lane. Director Ross stated that the residents on Dartmouth Ave. have indicated they do not
want increased volume on Dartmouth Ave. Traffic Engineer Vostry explained that restriping would interfere
with the entrance/exit to the businesses on the southwest corner of the intersection.
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Committee Member Dounay reported that he received a citizen comment that the northeast part of
town near Downing St. does not receive ample sanding during snowstorms.
Mr. Dounay asked that data be provided for discussion at the December ETAC meeting regarding the
circumstances of a fatal pedestrian/truck accident that recently occurred on Broadway in north Englewood.
Mr. Dounay discussed his thoughts regarding a strategic plan for ETAC. He presented several points he
believes may be relevant in the operatic~ and planning of projects and goals that may be undertaken by this
Committee. Mr. Dounay stated he will provide a copy of his summary to Members and staff, and asked that
this topic be included on the December agenda for discussion.
Committee Member Goosman inquired about hedges reducing visibility at Dartmouth Ave. and Lafayette
St. Traffic Engineer Vestry stated he will contact Code Enforcement regarding this hazard.
Adjournment
There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 9:20 p.m.
Linda Wilks, Recording Secretary
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