HomeMy WebLinkAbout2006-02-09 TAC MINUTESCity of Englewood, Colorado
ENGLEWOOD TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING
Minutes of February 9, 2006
The regular monthly meeting of the Englewood Transportation Advisory Committee was called to order
by Chair Christie at 6:35 p.m. in the City Council Conference Room at the City of Englewood Civic Center.
(Secretary's note: Recording Secretary Wilks was not present this evening; the meeting was recorded
by Engineering Tech. I Dye.)
Members Present: Joe Christie, Chair
Betty Goosman
Daryl Kinton
Mark Craft
Danielle Gregory, Alternate Member
Ray Tomasso, Council Liaison
Rick Kahm, Director of Public Works, ex officio
Members Absent: David Anderson, Vice-chair
A quorum was present.
Also Present: Ladd Vostry, Traffic Engineer
Jerry Lancaster, GIS Analyst
Roy Dye, Engineering Tech. I
Commander Jeff Sanchez
Approval of Minutes
Chair Christie asked if there were any additions or corrections to the minutes of January 12, 2006.
There being none, a motion was made and seconded to approve the minutes as presented. With all
Members present voting aye, the motion passed.
Chair Christie welcomed Danielle Gregory, who has been appointed by City Council to serve as ETAC's
Alternate Member. It was also noted that Committee Members Anderson, Craft, and Goosman have been
reappointed, now serving four year terms.
Public Comment
Ms. Erin Manning was present this evening (a visitor sign in sheet was not provided), as co-owner of
the Skerritt House at 3560 S. Bannock St., to discuss some parking concerns at that location. Ms. Manning
noted that Bannock St. is a southbound, one way, two lane roadway with parking allowed only along the
west side of the street. Ms. Manning and her partner have renovated the Skerritt House, and have installed
a paved parking lot to accommodate clients of their chiropractic business. Residents of the adjacent
apartment houses have now begun using the parking lot, Ms. Manning believes, because of the lack of
parking on the street. Hoping it won't become necessary to post tow away zone signs, Ms. Manning asked,
as an alternative, that ETAC consider recommending changing the 3500 block of South Bannock to a one
lane, one way street so that parking could also be allowed on the east side of the street to accommodate
residents and their visitors.
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Director Kahm opined that Bannock south of S.H. 285 south will most likely always remain a one way
street because of the conflict with traffic from S.H. 285. Since the volume of traffic from 285 onto Bannock
has been significantly reduced over time, however, Mr. Kahm suggested that parking on both the east and
west sides of Bannock could probably be accomplished, and that lane lines on both sides would help to
reduce the speed of traffic coming off of S.H. 285. Mr. Kahm stated that a petition, and Committee
Members agreed, would be needed for property owners on Bannock between S.H. 285 and Kenyon Ave. Ms.
Manning agreed to circulate the petition but noted that most residents on the block are renters, not property
owners. Mr. Kahm said that a petition form will be prepared through the City Clerk's office, and the City will
provide a list of property owners, as well. Brief discussion ensued. Ms. Manning thanked ETAC for hearing
her concerns.
Old Business
Director Kahm asked that the first item for discussion under Old Business, discussion regarding a 25
mph speed limit, be postponed until Commander Sanchez is present, in the next few minutes. Committee
concurred.
• With regards to ETAC's web page, recent accomplishments, Traffic Engineer Vostry noted that Vice-
chair Anderson emailed the office advising that he will prepare a paragraph for discussion at the March ETAC
meeting regarding the completed traffic calming efforts on Logan St. GIS Analyst Lancaster noted that he
continues to work on the resources link page.
• As discussed at the January ETAC meeting, a resident living on Dartmouth Ave. near University Blvd.
approached City Council with a request that sidewalk be installed along the south side of Dartmouth
between Vine St. and University Blvd. City Council requested that staff work with the resident regarding this
issue. The resident was concerned with pedestrian traffic and children in the neighborhood. Thus far, the
resident has circulated a survey to his neighbors, seven residents were in favor, two neutral, one opposed,
and two concerned with landscaping. Director Kahm provided some history regarding Englewood's policy for
construction of sidewalk, curbs and gutters. The policy establishes that adjacent property owners are
responsible for the cost of installing, repairing, and replacing the concrete on the right-of-way adjacent to
their property. Most right-of-way concrete in the City was installed through special improvement districts
and the cost was assessed to adjacent property owners. There are a number of sections of sidewalk, curb
and gutter, although few, in the City that were never constructed because, in most cases, adjacent property
owners did not want to pay the expense. In recent years, the opportunity was presented through DRCOG to
receive some matching grant funds to install sidewalk where sidewalk did not exist, particularly along state
highways. In 2001, staff identified sixteen locations in Englewood that did not have sidewalk, for which the
Sidewalk Missing Links Program was established and City Council agreed to budget funds each year. Nine of
the sixteen missing links have, thus far, been constructed. Through DRCOG's matching grant funds
program, the City has installed sidewalk along Broadway south of Belleview, along Belleview between
Broadway and Windermere St., along University between Dartmouth and S.H. 285, and along S.H. 285
between Lafayette and Clarkson Streets, among other locations. Mr. Kahm opined that, in these instances,
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adjacent property owners were not required to pay for the cost because, in many cases, the sidewalks run
along the property sideyard and are used only by the general public, the State snow plows damage the
walkways, and, additionally, because of the matching funds from DRCOG.
Mr. Kahm opined that, although past history shows that the expense of right-of-way concrete
construction has been paid by adjacent property owners, City Council accepted the Sidewalk Missing Links
concept in order to complete any missing right-of-way concrete connections. Since the missing section
along the north side of Dartmouth Ave. between Dartmouth Circle and University was included on the list of
Missing Links, Mr. Kahm commented that he is unsure of the reason that the section on the south side of
Dartmouth wasn't also included. Discussion ensued regarding Concrete Utility fees, sidewalk width, budget
cuts that have reduced available funding for Missing Links, attached vs. detached sidewalk, maintenance of
walkways, trees and shrubs that may be affected by sidewalk installation along this stretch, etc. Mr. Kahm
has asked for ETAC's input in this request for sidewalk because of the pedestrian traffic involvement, and
stated that it could be somewhat controversial because there are some residents along this stretch who do
not want sidewalk adjacent to their property. If ETAC accepts this task, it would be appropriate to invite
these residents to a public forum for discussion regarding their interest in sidewalk installation and issues
that may affect them. Following brief discussion, Committee Members agreed they would like to have the
residents invited to take part in a public forum to gather their input and ideas regarding this topic. To
Alternate Member Gregory's inquiry, Mr. Kahm estimated it would cost around $50,000 to install sidewalk
along this stretch of Dartmouth Ave. Mr. Kahm noted that, since this piece is not currently included in the
Sidewalk Missing Links Program, City Council may wish to first complete some of the remaining seven areas
that are on the list, adding, however, that some locations are actually located in some rather remote areas
of town that could possibly be scheduled later in time. Brief discussion ensued regarding the status of the
City's budget. Mr. Kahm stated that invitations will be sent to the property owners to attend a public forum
at the March ETAC meeting.
New Business
There was no New Business to bring forward.
Director's Choice
• Traffic Engineer Vestry reported that, in response to Committee Member Craft's inquiry at the
December ETAC meeting, the countdown pedestrian signals on Broadway at Floyd, Girard (Englewood
Parkway) and Old Hampden Avenues have now been installed and are operational. Mr. Vestry advised that
countdown pedestrian signals will also be installed at Girard and Clarkson for Craig Hospital, and on
Belleview Ave. for Pirates Cove patrons.
• With regard to the electronic speed sign located on Quincy Ave. at Jason Park, Mr. Vostry stated that
speed studies indicate that the speed along this stretch of Quincy Ave. maintains an s5th percentile speed of
32 mph for westbound travel , and asked for ETAC's approval that the sign not be relocated at this time as
was discussed at the January ETAC meeting. Mr. Vestry stated that prior to installing the sign, the average
speed was in the 36-37 mph range . Mr. Vestry reiterated that speed studies are scheduled again in the
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spring for Quincy Ave. as well as Jason St. Committee Members agreed to postpone relocation of the sign
until speed studies are conducted again in the spring.
• Traffic Engineer Vostry advised that he met with the Malley Center Trust Fund Committee regarding the
proposed pedestrian crossing on Lincoln St. to accommodate Malley Center patrons. The plan calls for
placement of a neck-down at the Malley Center entrance on the east side of Lincoln St., as well as a
handicap ramp on the west side of the street along with a walkway through the landscaped strip to allow
easy pedestrian access to the parking lot when crossing the st reet. The cost is estimated to be around
$25,000 and will be paid through funding requested by the Parks and Recreation Department. This proposal
replaces the original request to construct a cul-de-sac on Lincoln. To Committee Member Craft's inquiry,
Director Kahm stated that the neck-down structure should not interfere with parking and passenger loading
zones along Lincoln.
• Director Kahm distributed copies of an article that appeared in a recent edition of the Colorado
Municipalities Magazine regarding traffic calming features tha t are be ing established in cities in Colorado .
Throughout the article , Mr. Vostry highlighted features and practices in various cities that have been in effect
in Englewood for some time. Mr. Kahm noted the importance of modifying driver behav ior, and the success
of the Speed Pledge Program.
• With Commander Sanchez now present, discussion proceeded, under Old Business, with an update on
consideration for Implementing a 25 mph speed limit on res idential streets in Englewood. Council Liaison
Tomasso stated that, when campaigning for election to City Council , a number of citizens spoke with him
about lowering the speed limit because of excessive speed in residential neighborhoods . Initially, in 2002 ,
City Council Members requested information regarding a group called "Keep Kids Alive Drive 25 ®"· Afte r
much discussion at that time, ETAC recommended to City Council that the speed limit in Englewood be
reduced to 25 mph. To initiate the new speed limit, the cost was estimated to be around $100,000. Mr.
Tomasso advised that, recently revisiting the possibility of lowering the speed limit with City Council resulted
in Council's rejection of the installation if the cost remained at that level.
Director Kahm noted speed limits in other jurisdictions, i.e. Denver with a speed limit of 25 mph has an
85th percentile speed of 28-29 mph, which is slightly under Englewood's 85th percentile of 30 mph; Wheat
Ridge 85th percentile of 32 mph. The Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Dev ices (MUTCD) stipulates that
speed limits should be posted when the proposed speed limit is considered to be unreasonable. The MUTCD
also stipulates that, prior to establishing a new speed limit, a speed study should be conducted to determine
the 85th percentile speed and the new speed limit be set at that speed. Mr. Kahm opined that, if Englewood
reduces its speed to 25 mph, it would be necessary to sign the neighborhoods with the new speed limit. Mr.
Kahm said that, although he did not recommend to City Council , in his memo dated January 26, 2006, that
the speed limit be lowered at this time, he does believe there would be some impact in speed if 25 mph
signage were posted in the City. However, unless manpower is available for enforcement, posting a lowered
speed limit would place an unfair burden on Safety Services .
Commander Sanchez reiterated that, in an effort to reduce the number of accidents, his four traffic
officers concentrate their efforts on main accident locations, i.e., Santa Fe, Broadway, S.H. 285, as well as
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some of the collector streets. Discussion ensued regarding driving habits and motorists comfort levels with
speed in various areas of town. Mr. Sanchez commented that the majority of accidents are not caused by
excessive speed, but rather by a distraction of some kind, i.e., cell phones, or when a car turns in front of
another car, or runs a red light, etc.
Traffic Engineer Vostry learned, in speaking with other jurisdictions, that other enforcement agencies in
the metro area are also concentrating their efforts on collector and arterial streets. Additionally, other
jurisdictions follow the same procedures as Englewood regarding speed signage and issuing citations. Mr.
Vostry agreed with Mr. Kahm that, should Englewood change to a 25 mph speed limit city-wide, it would be
necessary to post the speed limit in order for the court system to uphold citations for speeds of say 32, 33
mph. Council Liaison Tomasso suggested painting 25 mph on the street at alternate intersections. Mr.
Vostry advised, though, that such painting is not regulatory with the MUTCD and, unless it is placed in
conjunction with required signage, could not be upheld in court.
Mr. Kahm opined that there would be a benefit in posting residential streets at 25 mph whether or not
it made a difference in the s5th percentile speed of 30 mph; however, there could not be an increase in
enforcement unless the number of patrol officers is increased.
Mr. Sanchez stated he is not opposed to residential streets being 25 mph because he believes the
natural inclination is for people to drive 25-30 mph anyway, it almost self-regulates itself in most areas, but
reiterated the importance of having adequate resources to enforce changes in speed limits.
Chair Christie commented that, from what he has seen, he does not believe that lowering the speed
limit to 25 mph will be effective, and agreed that it will not affect the s5th percentile speed, that people drive
the speed at which they are comfortable.
Mr. Sanchez opined that driving behavior is progressively getting worse, and because current
enforcement is relatively inefficient in terms of addressing speeding, red light camera or photo radar camera
enforcement will ultimately be put into effect one day in Englewood, similarly to what is currently taking
place in some other jurisdictions. Discussion ensued regarding camera enforcement in other parts of the
world, traffic fines, etc.
Committee Members agreed to postpone making a recommendation to City Council until the March
ETAC meeting to allow time to study and consider alternatives that may be available to address speeding
concerns and enforcement.
Discussion ensued regarding camera enforcement, costs, legal issues, etc. Mr. Christie stated he will
contact Vice-chair Anderson in preparation for follow up discussion at the March ETAC meeting and possible
recommendation to Council.
Chairperson's Choice
Chair Christie had no concerns to bring forward.
Committee Members' Choice
• Council Liaison Tomasso advised that, during a recent joint School Board and City Council meeting, the
Student School Board Representative inquired if the City can contact RTD and request that they provide a
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bus loop off of the Evans Light Rail Station to the Colorado's Finest Alternative High School, at Baker Ave.
and Zuni St., to accommodate students of the School who currently walk from the School to the light rail
station, sometimes as late as 9:30 at night. The bus loop would also help to encourage school enrollment.
Mr. Tomasso stated they are looking for drop off times at the School of 7:45 and 8:45 a.m. and pick ups
from the School at 12:45 and 1:45 p.m., and then the evening sessions with a 3:15 drop off and an 8:30
p.m. pick up. Committee Member Kinton, as RTD Board Member representing the area south of Hampden
Ave., noted that this is currently being done at some areas in Denver, and stated he will speak with the RTD
Board Member who represents the area that encompasses the School.
Mr. Tomasso, for Committee Members' information, relayed that discussions are taking place, in
conjunction with current negations regarding the Sheridan Redevelopment Project as it affects the
Englewood Golf Course, to ensure that bike trail construction will be accommodated adjacent to the
proposed reconfigured golf course.
• In response to Committee Member Craft's inquiry, Director Kahm stated that he will have staff look into
the possibility of having a cable junction box moved, as it currently blocks the vision of westbound drivers on
Floyd Ave. making a turn into the alley behind Simon Center. Brief discussion ensued.
Adjournment
There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 9:03 p.m.
Linda Wilks, Recording Secretary
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