HomeMy WebLinkAbout1975-04-22 PZC MINUTESCITY OF ENGLEWOOD PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
April 22, 1975
I. CALL TO ORDER.
The Regular Meeting of the City Planning and Zoning Commission
was called to order by Ch~irman Martin at 8:05 p.m.
Members present: Jones, Jorgenson, Martin, Parker, Pierson,
Smith, Tanguma, Wade, Brown
Supinger, Ex-officio
Members absent: None
Also present: Assistant City Attorney Lee; Assistant Director
Romans, Associate Planner House
II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
Mr. Martin stated that Minutes of April 8, 1975, were to be
considered for approval.
Smith moved:
Tanguma seconded: The Minutes of April 8, 1975, be approved
as written.
AYES: Brown, Jones, Jorgenson, Martin, Parker, Pierson, Smith,
Tanguma, Wade
NAYS: None
The motion carried.
III. SUBDIVISION WAIVER
Burt Toyota, Inc.
CASE #12-75
Mr. Nate Burt, President of Burt Toyota, 5300 South Broadway,
stated that he has requested a Subdivision Waiver; he proposes
to construct an addition to the service and parts building of
the Toyota establishment, which addition will extend into the
property owned by Belokes Grastoke, Inc. Mr. Burt stated he
has leased property from Belokes Grastoke for storage of cars
for several years. Mr. Burt stated that he applied for a
Building Permit to construct the addition to the service and
parts building, and was advised that a waiver to the Subdivision
Regulations would have to be approved before a Permit could
issue.
Mr. Martin stated that he is concerned, as is_ the staff, about
the need for a total development plan for this area. Mr. Burt
stated that it was not felt necessary for this case. Mr.
Martin asked what the relationship between the Toyota dealer-
ship and the Grastoke property is? Mr. Burt stated that Grastoke
owns the land which he leases for the Toyota dealership. Grastoke
is a partnership of Mr. Wm. Grant and Mr. Stokes, who own the
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GEM property. This is designated as "Parcel C" on the Vicinity
Map attached to the staff report. Parcels "A" and "B" are owned
by Irving Pasternak. Mr. Burt stated that he has a long-term
lease on this land.
Mr. Smith stated that he was under the impression Mr. Martin's
concern had been about the total site, and that Mr. Burt had
answered in regard to the property he is personally concerned
with. Mr. Martin agreed 'that he did refer to the total property.
Mr. Burt stated that he understood from Mr. Grant that the GEM
property is under option, and that the option will expire in
September of this year.
Mr. Parker pointed out that the service station, liquor store
and car wash are to the south of the proposed addition, and he
did not see that the proposed addition would hinder future
development of the area.
Discussion followed. Mr. Burt stated that he understood that
any further development on the site will require the filing of
a Subdivision Plat.
Mr. Jones asked if the leases Mr. Burt has on the Pasternak
property and on the Grastoke property were concurrent? Mr.
Burt stated very nearly concurrent. Mr. Burt stated that the
proposed structure will be of masonry construction.
Mr. Brown stated that he was pleased to see the proposed ex-
pansion; he stated he felt Mr. Burt has done a great job for
the City and that the addition will be an asset to the City
and to Mr. Burt's business.
Mr. Smith asked if there would be some method of screening the
wrecked automobiles from passers-by? Mr. Burt stated that the
entrance to the proposed structure will be from the east, and
there will be nothing to see from Broadway but the rear of the
proposed building.
Mr. Jones discussed access to the site from the east; he noted
there is no access from that property on the east side of Big
Dry Creek below the school unless one could cross Big Dry Creek.
Mr. Supinger noted there is access along the north side of Big
Dry Creek. Discussion followed. Mr. Martin asked if there is
a possibility this right-of-way could be dedicated at some time
in the future? Mr. Burt stated that he felt it could be.
Mr. Martin asked if Mr. Burt is still parking cars on any part
of Parcel "C" as shown on the map? Mr. Burt stated yes, it is
used as a new car storage lot. Mr. Martin asked if there is
any way this can be screened? Mr. Burt stated this would be
quite expensive, but the steel fence could be covered with
cedar stakes or some similar method of screening. Mr. Burt
noted that this is a considerable distance from Broadway. M~
Martin stated he was thinking more about traffic circulating
about the GEM lot if this store should re-open. He asked if
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GEM property. This is designated as "Parcel C" on the Vicinity
Map attached to the staff report. Parcels "A" and "B" are owned
by Irving Pasternak. Mr. Burt stated that he has a long-term
lease on this land.
Mr. Smith stated that he was under the impression Mr. Martin's
concern had been about the total site, and that Mr. Burt had
answered in regard to the property he is personally concerned
with. Mr. Martin agreed 'that he did refer to the total property.
Mr. Burt stated that he understood from Mr. Grant that the GEM
property is under option, and that the option will expire in
September of this year.
Mr. Parker pointed out that the service station, liquor store
and car wash are to the south of the proposed addition, and he
did not see that the proposed addition would hinder future
development of the area.
Discussion followed. Mr. Burt stated that he understood that
any further development on the site will require the filing of
a Subdivision Plat.
Mr. Jones asked if the leases Mr. Burt has on the Pasternak
property and on the Grastoke property were concurrent? Mr.
Burt stated very nearly concurrent. Mr. Burt stated that the
proposed structure will be of masonry construction.
Mr. Brown stated that he was please_d to see the proposed ex-
pansion; he stated he felt Mr. Burt has done a great job for
the City and that the addition will be an asset to the City
and to Mr. Burt's business.
Mr. Smith asked if there would be some method of screening the
wrecked automobiles from passers-by? Mr. Burt stated that the
entrance to the proposed structure will be from the east, and
there will be nothing to see from Broadway but the rear of the
proposed building.
Mr. Jones discussed access to the site from the east; he noted
there is no access from that property on the east side of Big
Dry Creek below the school unless one could cross Big Dry Creek.
Mr. Supinger noted there is access along the north side of Big
Dry Creek. Discussion followed. Mr. Martin asked if there is
a possibility this right-of-way could be dedicated at some time
in the future? Mr. Burt stated that he felt it could be.
Mr. Martin asked if Mr. Burt is still parking cars on any part
of Parcel "C" as shown on the map? Mr. Burt stated yes, it is
used as a new car storage lot. Mr. Martin asked if there is
any way this can be screened? Mr. Burt stated this would be
quite expensive, but the steel fence could be covered with
cedar stakes or some similar method of screening. Mr. Burt
noted that this is a considerable distance from Broadway. M~
Martin stated he was thinking more about traffic circulating
about the GEM lot if this store should re-open. He asked if
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Mr. Burt could see his way clear to screen his area? Mr. Burt
stated that he was parking new cars on Parcel "C" at the time
GEM was still in operation, and he had received no objections
to the operation. Mr. Burt stated that at some time in the
future when they could afford such screening, they would not
mind installing such screening.
Brown moved:
Jones seconded:
a waiver to the
#12-75, for the
The City 1 Planning and Zoning Commission
grant to Burt Toyota, Inc., 5300 South Broadway,
Subdivision Regulations as set forth in Case
following reasons:
1. No substantial benefit will be gained at this time by
requiring a plat to be prepared, approved and recorded
for the proposed division of the Grastoke property.
2. No easements or rights-of-way are needed by the City
across the parcel being leased by Mr. Burt and divided
from the Grastoke Parcel by this Subdivision Waiver to
provide access or utility service.
3. The proposed development is permitted under the provisions
of the Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance and is not in con-
flict with the Comprehensive Plan.
This action is based on the following condition: The approval
is granted upon the condition that no further division of the
Belokes Grastoke, Inc. property .be made until and unless a
Subdivision Plat is prepared and submitted for approval and
recording of the following described property: Beginning 50
ft. east of the SW corner of the NE 1/4 of Section 15, thence
N 89°40' E 1170.31 feet, thence N 0°20' W 314.2 feet, thence
N 49°38'16" W 388.57 feet, thence N 70°07'47" W 239.32 feet,
thence NW on curves 365.41 feet, thence S 89°40' W 361.19 feet
to east line of South Broadway, thence south to point of
beginning, 870 feet.
AYES: Wade, Brown, Jones, Jorgenson, Martin, Parker, Pierson,
Smith, Tanguma
NAYS: None
The motion carried.
IV. SUBDIVISION WAIVER
Frank s. Clapp
CASE #13-75
Mr. Supinger stated that the property is on the east side of
Platte River Drive and south of West Dartmouth Avenue. There
is a building on the south 1/2 of the subject property at the
present time. The City purchased property owned by Mr. Clapp
for the Bi-City Treatment Plant; this necessitated the purchase
of the subject property by Mr. Clapp for his business. Mr.
Clapp must obtain approval of a Subdivision Waiver to facilitate
the construction of a building on the subject property. Mr.
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Supinger noted that Mr. Clapp is not present, and he does not
know if Mr. Clapp is in agreement with the staff report.
Discussion followed. Mr. Jones stated that he would presume
the City would have some obligation to help Mr. Clapp relocate.
The matter of flood plain level was then discussed. Mr. Supinger
stated that Mr. Clapp would have to meet the flood plain re-
quirements, and he does believe that Mr. Clapp understands this.
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Mr. Smith asked if Mr. Clapp was agreeable to the easement for
construction of the interceptor sewer. Mr. Supinger pointed
out that Mr. Clapp was sent a copy of the staff report. He
stated he doesn't believe it's necessary that Mr. Clapp agree
to the easement before the Commission imposes it.
Mrs. Wade asked what use abutted this property on the east?
Mrs. Romans stated there is a mobile home park to the east.
Jones moved:
Parker seconded: The Planning Commission grant a Subdivision
Waiver to Mr. Frank S. Clapp for property
described as: That part of the E 1/2 NW 1/4 SE 1/4 of Section
33, Township 4 Sou th, Range 68 West of the 6th P ·. M. , County of
Arapahoe, State of Colorado, described as follows: Beginning
at a point on the East line of the E 1/2 NW 1/4 SE 1/4 of
Section 33, Township 4 South, Range 68 West, which point is
335.00 feet South of the Northeast cor-ner of said NW 1/4
SE 1/4; thence S 0° 00'00'' E along said East line, a distance
of 144.20 feet; thence N 90°00'00" W a distance of 122.74 feet
to the East right-of-way line of South Platte River Drive;
thence northwesterly, along said East right-of-way line, along
a curve to the left, having a radius of 771.67 feet, a central
angle of 10°53'28" and whose chord bears N 10°05'07" W, an arc
distance of 146.68 feet to a point 335.00 feet South of the
Northeast corner of said NW 1/4 SE 1/4; thence N 90°00'00" E,
a distance of 148.39 feet to the point of beginning, containing
0.441 acres, more or less.
This approval is granted for the following reasons:
1. No substantial benefits are to be gained by the City or
by the public from requiring a Subdivision Plat to be
prepared for the division of the tract.
) 2. The development of the south one-half of the site as a
foundry, and the north one-half of this site for a pre-
cast concrete business are permitted uses in the I-1,
Industrial Zone District, in which District the subject
property is located.
3. The Flood Plain Regulations will not be violated inasmuch
as the floor level of the building to be erected on the
property will be ~bove the Flood Plain level.
4. Traffic has access to the property from South Platte
River Drive.
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5. Utilities will be available from South Platte River Drive;
and is based on the following conditions as set forth in
Case #13-75:
1. Mountain Bell Telephone Company requests a five (5) foot
setback from the rear, or east property line, for the in-
stallation and maintenance of their lines.
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2. A 50 ft. temporary construction easement (50 ft. square
area in the northwest corner of the property) is required
for the Littleton Interceptor Sewer installation. Mr.
Clapp is requested to leave this area unpaved for the
present. The paving within the limits of this easement
will be done after the construction of the Interceptor is
completed by Littleton's contractor.
AYES: Tanguma, Wade, Brown, Jones, Jorgenson, Martin, Parker
Pierson, Smith
NAYS: None
The motion carried.
V. SUBDIVISION WAIVER
John J. Littlehorn
CASE #14-75
Mrs. Romans noted that a waiver to the subdivision regulations
had been gra~ed Mr. Littlehorn for his property west of Lipan
and south of West Quincy Avenue, on February 19, 1975. At
that time, Mr. Littlehorn was proposing the division of his
property into six lots 50' x 125'; since that time, he has
determined that to accommodate the houses he wants to move onto
the property and provide the required off-street parking of
two spaces per single-family unit, it would be necessary to
turn the houses side-ways. Mr. Littlehorn had examined the
possibility of running an alley on the west side of the lots
to give access to the parking areas; however, FHA would not
approve this idea. The alternative that Mr. Littlehorn, working
with FHA, has devised is to amend the subdivision waiver to give
him five lots with a lot frontage of 60 ft. and 100 ft. depth.
This will still meet the minimum lot area of 6,000 sq. ft. for
an R-1-C District. This increases the size of the parcel to
the west of the proposed five lots from 42 ft. width to 67 ft.
width; this parcel will be left undeveloped for the present
time. FHA has required a 6 ft. fence to be erected on the rear
lot line of the lots, and the staff has included this as a
requirement to be met. Mrs. Romans stated that Mr. Littlehorn
does understand that the 1 ft. reservation on the west side of
South Lipan Street will have to be removed.
Mr. Brown stated that he had driven by the site earlier in the
day; he asked if there is any way the property to the west of
Mr. Littlehorn's property could be cleaned up? Discussion
followed.
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Tanguma moved:
Brown seconded: The Planning Commission grant a Subdivision
Waiver to Mr. John J. Littlehorn subject to the
conditions set forth in Case #14-75:
1. It is recommended that the sixth, or west, parcel shall
be kept free of debris and not used for the storage of
materials.
2. As recommended by FHA , there shall be a 6 ft. solid
screen fence along the rear or west property lines of the
single-family lots.
3. A one-foot reservation on the east side of the property
will have to be cleared before Building Permits can be
issued.
The approval is granted for the following reasons:
1. The request for this amendment in no way alters the
reasons for the approval of the original request for a
Subdivision Waiver.
a. The revised division of lots does not change t h e
access from South Lipan Street and West Quincy Avenue
for the necessary utilities.
b. The planned single-family building sites are in an
R-1-C, Single-family Residential Zone District, and
will exceed the required 50 ft. frontage, and will
have the required lot area of 6,000 sq. ft.
c. The proposed division of theland and development is
not in conflict with the Comprehensive Plan.
AYES: Smith, Tanguma, Wade, Brown, Jones, Jorgenson, Martin,
Parker, Pierson
NAYS: None
The motion carried.
VI. HALCYON HEIGHTS II
Planned Development
CASE #ll-75A
April 8, 1975
Mr. Mart in stated that the Planning Commission had a study
session fr om 7:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. earlier this evening to
discuss the matter of HH II. The Commission directed the
staff to draft conditions and findings, which the applicant will
receive , and called a special meeting for April 30, 1975 at
7:00 p.m. Mr. Martin stated he hoped the Cominission would be
able to reach a decision at that meeting.
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VII. DIRECTOR'S CHOICE
Mrs. Romans stated that the Commission has received three
proposed plans for a master street plan in the Santa Fe/Union
annexation area. Mrs. Romans stated that Proposal #3 is felt
by Utilities Director Carroll and by Pub l ic Works Director
Waggoner to provide adequate access and water service rights-
of-way to the area. The Planning Division also approves this
proposal; it provides for' fewer dead-end streets, and splits
fewer ownerships. Mrs. Romans asked if the Commission wished
t o advertise for Public Hearing to amend the Master Street
Pl an to include one of the proposed area plans. Discussion
fo llowed.
It was the determination to advertise for Public Hearing on
Proposal #3 on May 20th.
Mr. Supinger stated that the ASPO Convention in Vancouver was
a very good conference, and that he will be preparing a written
report for the Commission and Council.
VIII. COMMISSION'S CHOICE.
Mr. Martin stated that he was in receipt of two letters.
The first, from Chairman Ruth Allen, Parks & Recreation Com-
mission, is in regard to Bicycle Trails, and is as follows:
"April 21, 1975
Mr. Arthur Martin, Jr., Chairman
Englewood Planning & Zoning Commission
3400 South Ela ti
Englewood, Colorado 80110
Dear Mr. Martin:
The Englewood Park & Recreation Commission discussed at some
length the proposed bike trail system for Englewood at their
last two meetings and have come to these conclusions.
That the street commuter bike trail in Englewood would be very
difficult to establish because the heavier traveled streets in
the city would present great problems. Homeowners would be un-
willing to give up parking in front of their homes until more
success becomes apparent with established bike trails in Littleton
and other cities.
That a hike and bike trail along segments of the City Ditch,
Little Dry Creek and the South Platte River would be feasible
and probably be successful. Trails to the schools would also
be successful and should be included in the study.
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"That it is important that the Water and Sewer Board not allow
further closures of the City Ditch because it will be very
difficult for the city to purchase these easemehts and ditch
right-of-ways if they choose to do so in the future.
Please accept our apologies in taking so much time in getting
this information to you.
Sincerely,
Ru th H. Allen, Chairman
Eng lewood Parks & Recreation
Commission"
Mr. Jones asked if there might be problems in a change of u se
on easements for water-ways that have been abandoned as water-
ways such as converting the use to bicycle and pedestrian trails.
Mr. Lee stated he would have to review the wording on the
easements before he could say yes or no.
Mr. Martin stated that the second communication is f r o m Mayor
Taylor regarding the capital improvements program and the
financing thereof. Mr. Martin stated, for the benefit of new
members of the Commission, that the Commission must review
each departmental budget request for capital improvement pro-
jects and set a priority listing of those projects. ~
Mr. Supinger stated that with the approval of the Commission
the staff would proceed on this matter and submit a schedule
and information to the Commission shortly.
Mr. Martin asked if there was any possibility the 1¢ sales tax
would be discontinued? Mr. Jones stated that this 1¢ sales
tax is due to expire in 1976, but it is his opinion that without
that tax the City will not have any capital improvement program.
Mr. Brown stated he would concur with Mr. Jones .
Discussion followed. Mr. Jones stated he felt one of the
reasons for the fall in Englewood sales taxes if the fact that
"you can 't get here" and discussed the traffic situation in the
City of Englewood. Mr. Jones stated that Englewood is feeling
some of the impact of Southglenn Shopping Center in the reduction
of sales t ax revenues. Mr. Supinger stated that it is still
his con t ent i on that the City needs a plan; he feels we have gone
too long without moving ahead with something. He stated he did
not care about the kind o f Plan, but the City does need to "get
off the dime" and solve traffic problems, solve parking problems,
etc. Mr. Supinger stated that if the City does not have an
over-all concept of where it wants to go, it will be in trouble.
Mr. Supinger stated he felt the City should have had a Plan
five years ago. He acknowledged that it will take a lot of ~
sale s effor t t o p u t a Plan a cross, but that it has to be done. ~
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Mr. Tanguma stated that he agreed with Mr. Supinger; Englewood
needs a long range Plan. He stated that some o f th e problems
we have that started a year and one-half ago is that developers
went to Littleton, and people who drove through Englewood on
their way to Denver don't do it, and don't stop in Englewood.
Mr. Tanguma stated that a Plan is essential and we have to
get started.
Mr. Jones sta ted that the (City is in a position where we have
to handle a lot of "cross" traffic. We need some means to
handle the traffic volume on U.S. 285. Mr. Jones noted that
t he Commission had discussed up-dating the Master Street Plan
s ome time ago. Mr. Jones stated that discussions had also
c entered around acquiring the right-of-way that might be needed
on some streets; this woul d have to be a part of the Capital
Im provement Program. Mr. Jones stated that the Commission and
Council need to know what street widths need to be for pur oses
of setting aside funds to acquire the right-of-way.
Mr. Supinger discussed the manner in which other mu n icipalities
handle current planning projects vs. long range planning projects.
Mr. Supinger pointed out that Tucson, Arizona, fo r ins tance,
has abolished the Planning Commission and has crea ted an informal
Planning Committee; they handle the long range planning matters.
Current planning matters are handled by a Hearing Commissioner.
Mr. Supinger stated that the Englewood Planning Commission is
faced with a lot of work; there will be need for many special
meetings to meet the work load. Mr. Supinger stated that the
staff is willing to work with the Commission whenever the
Commission so desires.
Mr. Jones asked Mr. Supinger's opinion on informal committees
formed to address special items, such as the Multi-Family
Development Standards Review Committee. Mr. Supinger stated
that the time element has to be considered; if the dead-lines
are to be met, he did not see how the committees could be help-
ful, inasmuch as this route is usually rather lengthy. Mr. Jones
stated that the alternative, then, would be whether the Council
is willing to provide a consulting service.
Mrs. Pierson asked if there was any reason the entire Com-
mission has to hear current planning matters; could the Commission
split into groups and part of the Commission concentrate on
current matters, and part concentrate on long range matters.
Discussion follo.ved. Mr. Jones noted this would require amend-
ments of the Code and City Charter. Mr. Supinger stated that
several codes would have to be amended, and this would be a
t ime-consuming process in itself. Assistant City Attorney Lee
pointed out that the Commission acts as a quasi-judicial body,
and citizens have a right to have their requests heard by the
entire Commission. Discussion ensued. Mr. Parker stated that
he felt persons expect to be able to talk to the total Planning
Commission.
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Mr . Supinger noted that on the Master Street Plan, the a d di tional
information on street widths, etc. has been submitted to the
Commission some time ago; the staff is ready to meet with t he
Commission at whatever time the Commission so desires; h owever,
a n adequate plan will not be devised in any given number of
mee tings; it is going to take a considerable am ount of time.
Mrs. Wade suggested that the Commission make a listing of
items pending and determine priorities, and work on that
priority until it is solved, and so on through the list.
Mr. Martin suggested setting the third Tuesday of every month
aside to work on such matters. Mr. Jones stated that t h i s would
not accomplish anything soon enough, and suggested meet i ng o n
Saturdays. Mrs. Wade asked about setting aside the Sa turd ays
in May to devote to discussion and consideration of the Ma s t er
Street Plan. Discussion followed. Mr. Martin suggested t hat
study sessions be set at 8:30 a.m. May 10, May 17, May 24, and
May 31 until noon or after for the Commission to devote to the
Master Street Plan.
Mr. Brown pointed out that the Councjl sets aside every Monda y
evening for consideratio n of City bllsiness, whether there is
a formal Council meeting or not. He suggested that possibly
the Planning Commission would want to do the same on Tuesday
evenings. Discussion followed.
Mr. Tanguma suggested that time be taken at this meeting to
set priorities. Brief discussion followed. Mr. Martin sug gested t9
that possibly on May 10th the Commission could look at the
Master Street Plan for the Northwest quadrant of the City.
Mr. Tanguma stated that you cannot plan streets in quadrants.
Mrs. Wade asked if Mr. Tanguma was suggesting the Commissi o n
look at arterials, collectors etc. as a whole? Mr. Jones
suggested that the Commission look at the Master Street Plan
as it exists and to go from there.
Mr. Supinger stated that the staff would have a synopsis of
the Master Street Plan available for the meeting on May 10th.
Brief discussion ensued .
The meeting adjourned at 9:35 p.m .
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