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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1975-10-07 PZC MINUTES. ' ' .. CITY OF ENGLEWOOD PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION October 7, 1975 J. CALL TO ORDER. The regular meeting of the City Planning and Zoning Commission was called to order by Chairman Martin at 7:00 p.m. Members present: Martin, Smith, Wade, Jones, Jorgenson Romans, Ex-officio Members absent: Parker, Pierson, Tanguma, Brown Also present: Associate Planner House; Assistant City Attorney DeWitt; Arapahoe County Planning Director Paul II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES. Mr. Martin stated that Minutes of September 3 and September 9 were to be considered for approval. Wade moved: Jones seconded: The Minutes of September 3 and September 9 be approved as written. Mrs. Pierson, Mr. Parker and Mr. Brown entered the meeting. AYES: Jorgenson, Martin, Parker, Pierson, Smith, Wade, Brown, Jones NAYS: None ABSENT: Tanguma The motion carried. III. HOUSE BILL 1041 Mrs. Romans introduced County Planning Director Donald Paul. Mrs. Romans noted that House Bill 1041 is an effort to control the use of land in the State; every municipality is supposed to coordinate planning efforts in areas of State concern through the County. Mr. Paul, as the Arapahoe County Planning Director, is the coordinator for Arapahoe County and all municipalities within the County. Mrs. Romans stated she felt it would be a good idea to have Mr. Paul discuss the legislation more fully and explain its implications . Mr. Paul stated that he and the late James Supinger, Director of Community Development for Englewood, had worked closely on this Bill; they did not always agree on the proper approach to be taken to comply with the restrictions of the Bill. Mr. Paul stated he personally felt it was a poorly written Bill; however, it does elucidate goals that some people feel the planning function should be involved in. Mr. Paul stated that HB 1041 was adopted two years ago, and intended to describe areas of State interest. Each county and all cities would determine -2- which, if any, area of state interest should be designated in their jurisdiction. Areas of state interest include, among other things, thoroughfares, geologic concern, etc. Mr. Paul stated he felt the main impact of the Bill is the requirement to set up a totally different system of approval of land use functions; each.municipality has set up their own system of approval, but to comply with the Bill would have to set up an entirely different and separate system from their own. Mr. Tanguma entered and took his place with the Commission. Mr. Paul stated he and Mr. Supinger attended a meeting on the HB 1041 in late July, and he stated they pointed out the in- congruity in having to revise a planning process that is in existance and works, as would have to be done by most jurisdictions to comply with the requirements of the Bill. Mr. Paul stated that the State feels some local governments have not been doing their job as far as land use is concerned, and that the State must be shown the local governments are indeed doing the job. Mr. Paul stated that under HB 1041, an area of State interest must be first identified, and then designated by the City Council and County Commissioners. After designation, any development must get a special permit under the requirements of HB 1041; this will add several meetings and public hearings to the schedule of the Planning Commissions throughout 'the State. The City Councils would then have to determine whether or not the permit should be issued. Mr. Paul stated that the Attorney General rendered an opinion two or three weeks ago stating that guidelines allowing the local governments to use their own system to comply with HB 1041 were invalid. Mr. Paul stated that support of local agencies is needed to get the Governor to put this Bill on his call for the next session of the Legislature. Mr. Paul stated he felt the intent of the Bill is good; but he does feel the requirements could be worked into the on-going planning process. He stated he felt the matter of delineation of State interests could be done in the long-range planning process; the areas of State interest should be shown in the Comprehensive Plan, as should guidelines for development approval. Mr. Paul emphasized that he is opposed to a separate and distinct approval system that is required by HB 1041. Mr. Paul again asked for support of local agencies to attempt to change the requirement for the separate process required in HB 1041. Mr. Martin asked if this particular Bill is law now? Mr. Paul stated that HB 1041 was adopted in May, 1974. -3- Mr. Jones asked if there hadn't been problems with funding under the HB 1041? Mr. Paul stated that the State had given each County $25,000 last year to finance the designation of State interests in the counties. Any jurisdiction within those counties could apply to their county government for funding to finance designation of projects within the municipal boundaries. Mr. Paul stated there was much confusion over this process, which has been compounded by the recent opinion from the Attorney General's office. The counties are now given an initial $5,000; the remainder of the grant will not be given until each county has prepared a detailed work plan. Mr. Jones stated he understood that some of the funding discussions centered on the fact that rural counties were given the same amount as the metropolitan counties, but might not be faced with the same magnitude of problems. Mr. Paul agreed the rural counties might not be faced with the same problems as the metropolitan counties, but they would be faced with problems at the "natural" level, such as wild fire delineation, geologic areas, etc. Mr. Paul stated the problem now is that the Legislature has limited the supplemental funds. Mr. Paul stated that in order to get a geological study of Arapahoe County done, it would take more than the allotted $25,COO. Mr. Paul stated this situation will require prioritizing what area of the County is more important in terms of the State interest projects. Mr. Paul pointed out that delineation must be accomplished by legal descriptions on projects such as . designated flood plains; he asked how this could possibly be done for the entire County for $25,000? Mr. Paul stated that the local governments have had an on-going land use system; it is working, and it can work better. Mr. Martin asked for further explanation on the op1n1on rendered by the Attorney General? Mr. Paul stated the Land Use Commission was required to adopt guidelines on how the Bill should be administered. They have tried to allow local governments to use their own systems of approval to comply with HB 1041. The ·Attorney General has said this section allowing the local governments to use t heir own system is invalid. Mr. Paul stated that the entire State must comply with HB 1041; either the individual counties may do the land use planning, the individual munic i palities may do it, or the State will do it for them. Mrs. Pierson asked if the County was having to do the double review process at t his time? Mr. Paul stated not at this point; no one has made a formal designation of an area of state interest. Public Hearings must be held prior to designation of the areas. Brief discussion followed. Mrs. Wade asked M~. Paul what categories were considered of State interest? Mr. Paul repeated that items such as mineral resource areas, natural hazards --flood plain, wild fire hazard, geologic hazard such as avalanche, unstable slopes, etc.; airports, public utilities, rapid transit, nuclear detonations, etc. are among the categories of State interest. -4- Mr. Paul stated that it is implied in HB 1041 throughout, that the counties and municipalities have been given two years to comply, or the planning responsibilities will be assumed by the State. Discussion ensued. Mr. Brown asked why such a controversial Bill was adopted in the first place . Mr . P a ul stated that the Bill isn't really that controversial; there is a changing mood throughout the State of Colorado . New-comers to the state did not agree with the way things were being done, and have indicated their concern. Mr. Paul noted that the Bill was adopted when there was a Republican majority in the Colorado House and Senate. Mr. Paul stated that he felt the desire to provide protection for the State through controlling development is good; however, he does not think this Bill that was written and passed, is the ultimate answer. Mr. Paul noted there are four or five areas of concern that must be designated by July 1 , 1976 , one of which is a geologic survey. Mr. Paul stated that t here was a soil survey of Arapahoe County which was done in 1971 at no charge to the County. Mr. Paul stated that this information is being applied as an over- lay to all maps of the County. Mr. Jones asked if Mr. Paul felt the Flood Plain areas were pretty well established in the County? Mr. Paul stated they were established, but they must be designated by legal description, ~ which is going to be an extremely difficult job. ~ Mrs. Romans asked where the additional funds would come from, if they were needed? Mr. Paul stated that the supplemental funds aren't being released. Mr. Paul stated that he had received $5,000 for this year, and had not yet spent all of the funds he had received last year. He stated that these funds may be applied to the four or five areas that need immediate designation. The Cities may apply to the county for whatever funds they feel are necessary, but the cities should also be advised the funds are limited. Mr. Tanguma asked if there is a possibility the Bill could be amended? Mr. Paul stated that he didn't know; it seemed to be the attitude of one of the sponsors of the Bill that the counties should try to work under it for a couple of years at least. Mr. Paul stated that he hoped it would be on the Governor's call for the next session of the Legislature.· Mr. Martin expressed the appreciation of the Commission for Mr. Paul's attendance. ' . -5- lV, DIRECTOR'S CHOICE (A) Mrs. Romans reported that the City Council voted 5-2 at their meeting of October 6, 1975, to return South Bannock and South Sherman Streets to two-way traffic. Hampden Avenue would be designated as one-way eastbound from Bannock Street to Acoma Street. Mrs. Romans noted there will be limited turning movements pennitted at the intersections of these two streets With U. S. 285. The House Moving Ordinance was passed on final reading at the meeting of October 6th, and will become effective 30 days. from final publication. It is hoped this Ordinance will provide more controls on structures that are moved into or within the City. Mrs. Romans noted there are two public hearings scheduled for October 14th; one is an amendment to the R-2 Medium Density District to limit the number of units under one roof to four; and the other hearing is the proposed repeal of the I-3 Zone District. On October 21st, there will be a Public Hearing on rezoning land that was previously zoned R-2-A and R-2-B to R-1-C and R-2. The Public Hearing on rezoning land that was previously zoned R-3-A and R-3-B to R-3 will be held on October 22nd. Mrs. Romans noted there are 110 signs in place throughout the City advertising the date, time and place of the Public Hearings. Mrs. Romans noted that personnel from the Utilities Department, the Public Works Department, and the Parks & Recreation Depart- ment aided Community Development personnel in the installation of the signs, and that the project was completed in 2-1/2 days rather than the originally estimated four to five days. Mrs. Romans stated that many calls have been received by the Depart- ment regarding the proposal, and further stated that she will be at the City Hall on Saturday, October 11th, from 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. to answer questions of persons who cannot call or come into the City Hall during the week days. Mrs. Romans stated that there have been attempts to give the proposals wide publicity with articles in the Englewood Herald Sentinel and the Denver Post Zone 2. Mr. Martin called a brief recess. The meeting was reconvened at 8:00 p.m. V. R.T.D. Mr. Gerri Von Frellick stated that personnel of New Englewood have been asked to work with the staff of the City of Englewood, the Planning Commission and the City Council to try to explain alternatives on locations that might be considered by RTD for the ART Station. Mr. Von Frellick stated that about the first of this year, the decision was made by RTD to move ahead with expanded bus service to downtown Denver. People who were coming -6- to Englewood to ride the bus to downtown Denver were parking in the Cinderella City parking lot , and the RTD staff entered into discussions with Mr. Von Frellick's staff to determine ways to discourage long-term parking in the Cinderella City parking areas. Mr. Von Frellick stated that he is happy to cooperate with RTD. Mr. Von Frellick stated that alternatives to the problem were explored, and one suggestion was to expand the parking facilities onto the Rouse property for the express bus service. Mr . Von Frellick displayed a proposal designated as "Proposal C", which proposal indicates the ART station on the west side of Cinderella City and a bus terminal on the west side of the lower level Cinderella City area . Mr . Von Frellick stated that the parking area would be on the Rouse property, and overflow parking would be on the area known as the 1075 land. Mr. Von Frellick noted that City Council passed a Resolution on June 16, 1975, Resolution #33, Series of 1975, approving the acquisition of land he had offered at Dartmouth/Santa Fe just west of Cushing Park for a park and ride facility. Mr. Von Frellick stated the matter of location of the park and ride facility and the ART station is a political decision to be made by the City. Mr. Von Frellick stated that he has proceeded on the assumption that the basic political decision has been made as far as the City of Englewood is concerned, that the ART Station will be between West Dartmouth Avenue and U.S. 285. Mr. Von Frellick stated that Cinderella City has one of the highest projected arr~val/departure figures for the entire RTD system; he noted there are sometimes up to 100,000 persons in and out of the shopping center by automobileo He stated he felt they were in a good position to take advantage of RTD facilities. Mr. Von Frellick stated that the matter under discussion this evening is the alternative of the location of the proposed ART station. In pointing out future development Mr. Von Frellick stated that the Joslin's store on the eastern portion of the Shopping Center may expand, and he is under obligation to provide parking spaces to accommodate the ex- pansion. Mr. Von Frellick stated that if the ART Station were to be located on the Ambrose site, it would require an automated rail through the King Soopers lot and along Floyd Avenue to the rail- road tracks; this would mean a complicated switching system to accommodate tlle traffic to and from the site. Mr. Von Frellick stated there is 165' of right-of-way between the railroad tracks, and 150 feet between the Santa Fe tracks and the western boundary of Cinderella City. One of the alignments for the automated rail is the space between the railroad tracks; therefore, Scheme "C" indicates the location of the passenger station between the railroad tracks; this plan would recµ ire three escalators to make it work. It would mean . , -7- the passenter station would be 500 ft. from the shopping center, and another 128 ft. into the mall, which would be a "long unprotected walk" for those who might wish to avail themselves of the facilities offered by the Center. Mr. Von Frellick then discussed Scheme "B", which plan assumes location of the ART line and passenger station on the east side of the Santa Fe Tracks, between the tracks and the Cinderella City property line. Mr. Von Frellick stated that Scheme "B" "could work". Mr. Von Frellick discussed Scheme "A", which scheme curves the ART line eastward to follow the line of the Cinderella City structure north to Floyd, and then curves back northwestward to the east side of the Santa Fe tracks midway between Eastman Avenue and Dartmouth Avenue. This proposal locates the passenger station adjacent to the west end of the shopping center structure. Mr. Von Frellick stated that this plan was his choice of the three proposals. He stated that this Plan assumes that since much of ART will be elevated, possibly it could be elevate.d to such a degree that automobiles could drive under it at Hampden to reach the rear parking spaces. Mr. Von Frellick noted that the western parking areas don't experience much pedestrian traffic, and he would recommend seeking the ART alignment that would parallel the northwest frontages of the stores on the western side of the Center. Mr. Von Frellick stated the passengers could unload directly into the Shamrock Mall from either the ART line or the buses. Mr. Von Frellick noted that· Scheme "A" could involve the minor relocation of the Floyd Avenue ramp. Discussion followed. Mrs. Wade asked how many parking spaces could be accommodated on the property immediately south of Dartmouth Avenue? Mr. Von Frellick stated 400 to 500 with an additional 250 spaces on the property south of that. Mr. Von Frellick stated that this number of parking spaces --750 additional --is needed to accommodate a fully occupied shopping center; he has dis- cussed with RTD the possibility that RTD might acquire less expensive land at a distance further from the Center and would provide shuttle bus service for Center employees who would be required to park at the greater distance, in exchange for RTD use of land now under the control of Von Frellick Associates or New Englewood, Ltd. Mrs. Wade asked what time period we were considering for the rail system? Mr. Waller of RTD stated that when the plans were adopted in the overall concept, they were looking toward beginning construction in 1977; he pointed out, however, there might be some complications. He stated that the Environmental Impact Analysis statement must be prepared and acoepted; there could also be a matter of federal fund allocations, etc., which would affect the construction time for the system. Mr. Waller pointed out that this does not mean that construction would begin in Englewood in 1977; he stated they have 28 miles of system extending from Northglen to Littleton, and construction could begin at any point on this route. -8- Mr. Martin asked if personnel from RTD have viewed the plans presented by Mr. Von Frellick prior to this meeting? Mr. Von Frellick stated that RTD personnel have not had the plans. He said his instructions from City Manager Mccown were rather than to involve RTD at this point, that he felt the Planning Commission should make recommendation as to what they feel would be their preference of the proposed plans, and the City Council could then act on that recommendation and the matter could then go to RTD for their consideration. Mr. Von Frellick stated he felt this was a good approach to the matter, and would recommend the Planning Commission give consideration to what they feel would be the most desirable plan. Mr. Von Frellick said the general concensus is that some decision needs to be made, and he did not feel RTD is in a position to do anything until they get the EIA Statement completed and accepted, and get other studies completed. Mr. Von Frellick asked of Mr. Waller if they were required to consider three alternatives for the EIA statement? Mr. Waller stated they must analyze many alternatives; three alignments have been narrowed down in the Santa Fe Corridor. Mr. Waller stated there are three main station site locations that are also being considered. Mr. Jones discussed the congestion on South Elati Street at West Girard Avenue caused by the number of RTD buses that are parking there; he noted there four at one time stacked on the west side of Wyatt's Cafeteria. He asked if there might be some way to solve the problem of the bus service and possibly ~ evolve into an arrangement for the bus terminal to be located ~ adjacent to the Shamrock Mall. Mr. Jones stated he understood that the area of activity is one thing that must be considered, and he feels the decision could be made on where the terminal should be. Mr. Waller stated that at this point in time, as far as RTD is concerned, they cannot commit that the Shamrock Mall site for the bus terminal is the appropriate site. Mr. Waller stated that the RTD staff does not feel the problem on South Elati Street is that much of a problem so far as the stacking of buses is concerned; it seems to be more a problem of violation of existing traffic and speed laws. Mr. Waller stated they have taken steps to improve the headway between the buses in an attempt to alleviate the stacking situation. Mr.· Hamilton of Von Frellick Associates, indicated he had been in contact with Mr. Redding of RTD, who indicated that they would look favorably on changing the bus terminal from the Wyatt's location to the Shamrock Mall location. Mr. Jones commented that there are sometimes as many as five buses stacked up along Wyatt's; he stated that he fears someone will be killed or seriously injured here, and he would like to see something done before that happens. · -9- Mr. Martin stated he would like to see the Commission go on record as recommending this alternative bus stop in lieu of the existing bus stop on South Elati Street. Mr. Jones asked Mr. Von Frellick if he saw any problems in the relocation of the bus station to the west side of Cinderella City in the interim? Mr. Von Frellick stated that he could forsee no problems. Mr. Von Frellick stated the merchants and customers are eager to have a covered bus location convenient to Cinderella City. Mr. Von Frellick stated he has agreed to make space available for the bus station itself. He stated that discussions have not gone into determination of bus . benches, etc. at this point. He stated that the relocation of the bus stop could be implemented from the standpoint of the shopping center within thirty (30) days, and that any ex- penses incurred "isn't worth mentioning in view of the overall advantages." Mr. Von Frellick stated he feels the decision should start someplace, and that it might as well start with the Planning Commission. Discussion followed. Mrs. Wade asked if the recommendation on the relocation of the bus stop would be up to City Council or to RTD? Mr. Martin stated the recommendation would be up to City Council and that the City should be on record in favor of the relocation of the bus stop from South Elati Street to the west side of Cinderella City at the Shamrock Mall. Mrs. Wade asked about the possibility of considering additional parking on the Ambrose site at Girard and Bannock/Acoma; she noted that there will be a need for the Broadway bus system even ·after the rapid transit line is developed. Mr. Jones stated that the lease contract with Ambrose would have to be renegotiated. Mr. Von Frellick discussed the "dead parking storage" he has been providing for persons who want to ride the bus to Denver and park their vehicles in the Cinderella City lot. Mr. VonFrellick stated this is an undesirable situation that no one wants to put up with. Mr. Von Frellick pointed out that the ART station isn't feasible on the Ambrose Parking lot; the Rouse land, on the other hand, is vacant, and could be used for dead storage parking when the ART station is located on the Cinderella City site. Discussion followed. Mr. Von Frellick stated that he was concerned about the access to Cinderella City when he was initially approached about locating the shopping center at this site; he stated he estimates the poor access cuts $20,000 per year off the sales in Cinderella City. He stated there is resistance to underground parking from "women drivers". Mr. Von Frellick stated that the one location where they have vacancies in the Center is on the Shamrock Mall. Mr. Von Frellick stated he fel~ the sales tax receipts could be 50% higher than last year if they had the good bus service aid the ART station located on the west side of the Center. -10- Mr. Von Frellick noted that if the Park Floral Site were chosen for the ART station, bus service would have to be provided to get people to downtown Englewood; there would be a left-turn problem on Hampden Avenue. Mr. Von Frellick stated that he felt the basic decision is made on the location of the ART station, but the decision on the various sites on the Cinderella City location has yet to be made. Mr. Von Frellick stated he felt it is very important to begin immediately to say the City thinks the location on the west side of Cinderella City is a viable location for the bus station and the ART station, then RTD will have a decision to work with. Mr. Von Frellick urged that this decision be made soon; he pointed out that nothing is static. Thirty days from this date, the bus station site may not be available. He noted that the five acre tract he had offered for sale south of Dartmouth and directly west of Cushing Park is no longer under his ownership, and may be unavailable for use by RTD. Brief discussion ensued. Jones moved: Parker seconded: The Planning Commission recommend to City Council the bus terminal location as indicated on Schematic Plan "A" be approved. Mrs. Romans asked if the Commission is referring only to the bus stop location; are they suggesting provision be made for parking to support the bus stop location; are they indicating this proposed site is where the ART Station location should be? Mr. Jones stated he intended to refer only to the bus station relocation. Mrs. Romans asked "where are the cars going to be parked that belong to persons who will ride the bus downtown?" Mr. Von Frellick stated he felt there were no real conflicts if the total decision was not made at this time; the western- most area of the shopping center parking lot isn't being used now for parking, and probably won't be until the Holiday shopping season. Mr. Von Frellick stated he felt the matter of the bus station location should be determined first, and then we can work with RTD on the location of the parking for the riders. Discussion followed. Mr. Jones stated that his motion would transfer some of the high-activity-level traffic into a low- acti.vity area on the western side of Cinderella City. Mr. Jones noted that possibly this action will result in less all-day parking on the Cinderella City site. Further discussion en- sued regarding City Council Resolution #33, Series of 1975; Mrs. Romans noted that this Resolution implies that the five acres will be sold for parking purposes, which apparently is no longer true. Mr. Jones stated that he hoped City Council would amend Resolution #33 to move it forward; he stated that he feels the development of ridership habits is very important. -11- Mr. Von Frellick stated that while the five acre tract is not under his ownership, he does have a long-term lease on the property, and it could be used for parking without the purchase of the land. Mr. Von Frellick stated that he is concerned about a.mending the Resolution which the City Council has passed; he further stated that he does not see any conflict between this resolution and the motion before the Commission now. Discussion followed. The vote was called: AYES: Jones, Jorgenson, Martin, Parker, Pierson, Smith, Tanguma, Wade, Brown NAYS: None The motion carried. Jones moved: Jorgenson seconded: The Planning Commission recommend to City Council that Resolution #33, 1975, be a.mended in connection with the evolvement of the different facts before us at this time, as pertain to Y4 on the sale of property west of Cushing Park inasmuch as neither New Englewood, Ltd., nor the owners of Cinderella City have control over the parcel at this timeo AYES: Brown, Jones, Jorgenson, Martin, Parker, Pierson, Smith, Tanguma, Wade NAYS: None The motion carried. Mrs. Romans noted that when the Commission suggested that this meeting be established, she was requested by the Commission to invite RTD representatives to discuss the sites under considera- tion for the EIS analysis. Mrs. Romans felt it would be proper to give the RTD representative an opportunity to present his information. Mr. Tom Waller stated that he represented the Regional Transporta- tion District, and would like to briefly discuss the sites RTD is considering on alignment and station locations. Mr. Waller reviewed the process that RTD has followed through the Citizens Action Committee meetings, etc. in narrowing down the selection of the alignment and station sites. Mr. Waller stated that the corridor was initially planned in the area from Broadway to the South Platte River; this was narrowed down to Santa Fe through meetings with the citizens, the Planning Commissions and City Councils of the involved jurisdictions. Mr. Waller stated that three alternate alignments within the Santa Fe Corridor are under consideration and analysis for the Environmental Impact Statement. The three alternate routes are along the railroad track alignment, between the two sets of tracks, and on the eastern side of the Santa Fe tracks, and then along the Platte River. Mr. Waller stated that RTD is -12- looking at three site variations for the station location, also. In the Cinderella City area, the variations are within the median between the tracks or on the eastern side of the railroad tracks. Mr. Waller stated that the proposal indicated on Scheme "A" of Mr. Von Frellick's plans has not been con- sidered, and will not be considered as part of the EIA statement. Mr. Waller stated that a second site is the Park Floral property; this is a viable alternative, and does allow for a great deal of expansion. The third alternative is the City-owned parking lot at Acoma/Bannock and Girard. Mr. Waller indicated there would tie complications with this site, and discussed the double deck elevations that would be necessary to serve this site. He stated this would have great visual impact on the community. Mr. Waller stated the decision on the location of the alignment and the stations is a very important decision because of the effect it will have on the community --he stated this would have an impact on the economics, visual, social and traffic pattern aspects of the community. Mr. Waller stated that RTD hopes to conclude the analysis on the alignment by the end of October, with the results being formulated in November. Public Hearings would be scheduled in December or January on the EIA statement. Mr. Waller stated that if the Public Hearings go well, RTD will move forward to submit the proposal to the Federal Government. Mr. Waller noted that the proposal may not be acceptable to the Federal Government, and RTD may have to rework the proposal until it ~ is acceptable. Discussion followed. ~ Mr. Waller stated that the decisions of the local communities are most important to RTD at this point in time, and that if the City of Englewood recommended a particular site as their preference for the alignment or station, this recommendation would carry a great amount of weight in the final recommenda- tion and decision from RTD. Mr. Martin stated that he felt the only logical place in Englewood for the station would be the Cinderella City site that has been recommended for the bus stop. Mr. Jones stated that he would like to have Mr. Waller attend another meeting of the Commission to report back on the results of the analysis 'they are presently conducting. Mrs. Romans asked Mr. Waller the timing on the transfer of the bus stop from Wyatt's Cafeteria to the Cinderella City site? Mr. Waller indicated this could take some time to accomplish. Mr. Parker asked if the ART lines will be very noisy? Mr. Waller stated they do not have the estimated levels of noise at this time; they do have variables they have been using, and will be able to assess those concerns to a greater extent very shortly. Mr. Parker stated that the persons he has talked to have expressed concern about the noise that may result from the rapid transit rail. Mr. Parker stated that some persons • •• -13- are also concerned about the safety of the stations. Mr. Waller stated that the Denver rapid transit system would be nowhere near the size and scope of the "Ell" in Chicago or New York's system, and would have nowhere the impact that those systems have. Mr. Waller stated that RTD cannot determine what economic impact the rapid transit system will have in this metropolitan area; the economic advantages vary all over the country. Mr. Martin expressed the appreciation of the Commission to Mr. Waller for his attendance and presentation. VI. DIRECTOR'S CHOICE (B) Mrs. Romans noted that members of the Commission have been given notice of a luncheon to be held Friday, October 10th, at the Golden Fiddle Restaurant, 11:00 a.m., for those persons who wish to participate in Englewood Day at the Bicentennial display at the Armory. VIJ. COMMISSION'S CHOICE There was nothing discussed under Commission's Choiceo The meeting adjourned at 10:10 p.m • • -14- MEMORANDUM TO THE ENGLEWOOD CITY COUNCIL REGARDING ACTION OR RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. DATE: October 7, 1975 SUBJECT: Bus Stop Relocation RECOMMENDATION: Jones moved: Parker seconded: The Planning Commission recommend to City Council the bus terminal location as indicated on Schematic Plan ''~' be approved. AYES: Jones, Jorgenson, Martin, Parker, Pierson, Smith, Tanguma, Wade, Brown NAYS: None The motion carried. Respectfully submitted, By Order of the City Planning and Zoning Commission • •• -15- MEMORANDUM TO THE ENGLEWOOD CITY COUNCIL REGARDING ACTION OR RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DATE: October 7, 1975 SUBJECT: Amendment of Resolution #33, Series of 1975 RECOMMENDATION: Jones moved: Jorgenson seconded: The Planning Commission recommend to· City Council that Resolution #33, 1975, be amended in connection with the evolvement of the different facts before us at this time, as pertain to Y4 on the sale of property west of Cushing Park inasmuch as neither New Englewood, Ltd., nor the owners of Cinderella City have control over the parcel at this time. AYES: Brown, Jones, Jorgenson, Martin, Parker, Pierson, Smith, Tanguma, Wade NAYS: None The motion carried. Respectfully submitted, By Order of the City Planning and Zoning Commission.