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• CITY OF ENGLEWOOD PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
MAY 8, 1979
I. CALL TO ORDER.
The regular meeting of the City Planning and Zoning Commission
was called to order at 7:15 P. M. by Chairman Tanguma.
Members present: Lathrop , Smith, Tanguma, Williams, Becker,
Bilo, Carson
Wanush, Ex-officio
Members absent: Pierson, Draper
Also present: Assistant Director Romans; Associate Planner
Fessenden.
II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
Mr. Tanguma stated that the Minutes of April 17, 1979, and
April 24 , 1979, were to be considered for approval.
Lathrop moved:
Carson seconded: The Minutes of April 17, 1979, be approved
as written.
AYES: Lathrop, Smith, Tanguma, Williams, Becker, Bilo, Carson
NAYS: None
ABSENT: Draper, Pierson
The motion carried.
Carson moved:
Lathrop seconded: The Minutes of April 24, 1979, be approved
as written.
AYES: Carson, Lathrop, Tanguma, Becker, Bilo
NAYS: None
ABSTAIN: Smith, Williams
ABSENT: Draper, Pierson
The motion carried.
III. RIGHT-OF-WAY VACATION
3500 Block South Marion
CASE #10-79
Mr. Tanguma asked for the staff report.
Mrs. Romans stated that the Department of Community
has received a request to vacate the West 37.9 feet
South Marion Street right-of-way in the 3500 block.
requesting the vacation was submitted by a Mr. Curt
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Kuhl, who
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is a Broker-Associate with Realty World-Senti, and represents
the property owner, South Marion Street Venture. The principals
in the South Marion Street Venture are physicians who office at
3535 South Lafayette Street.
Mr. Tanguma stated at this point that he would like to excuse
himself from considering this case, inasmuch as he and Mr. Kuhl
are business associates in Realty World-Senti, and asked Mr.
Lathrop to preside during consideration of this case. Mr.
Tanguma stepped down from his chair with the Commissio n and
was seated in the audience.
Mrs. Romans stated that the 3500 block of South Marion Street
has a 75 foot right-of-way in the block between East Hampden
Avenue and U. S. 285, and is designated as a 11 local 11 street.
The street has been included in a paving district and there are
no plans to designate the block as a Collector or Arterial, or
to widen the roadway further, using the full 75 foot right -of-
way.
Mrs. Romans stated that the request for vacation of the West
37.9 feet of the right-of-way was referred to other City
Departments. It is the opinion of the Director of Public
Works, Kells Waggoner, and the Director of Engineering Services,
Gary Diede, that there are between 14.2 feet and 15.7 feet of
excess right-of-way which could be vacated; but that the re-
quested 37.9 feet of right-of-way should not be vacated. The
vacation of the 14.2 feet to 15.7 feet would result in a 60-
foot right-of-way, corresponding to the right-of-way in the
blocks to the north of East Hampden Avenue. Mrs. Romans pointed
out that the request submitted by Mr. Kuhl also requested the
vacation on only the south 272.5 feet of the 3500 block, and
the staff is of the opinion that if the vacation is approved,
it should be uniform throughout the block.
Mrs. Romans s tated that apparently the request has been misun-
derstood by property owners in the block, and that some of them
are under the impression that the request is to vacate the
alley. She emphasized that this is not the case, and discussed
the platting of this block in detail. The block was platted
with four alleys: a north/south alley, and three east/west
alleys. The east/west alley at mid-block and the one at the
southern end of the block have b een vacated, leaving a "T"-
shaped alley in the block ·at the present time.
Mrs. Romans emphasized that the question before the Commission
is whether or not there is a public purpose to be served by
retaining the 14.2 to 15.7 feet of right-of-way on the west
side of the block that is in excess of the 60 foot right-of-
way, inasmuch as the 60 foot right-of-way has been determined
to be adequate for present and future use. Mrs. Romans stated
that the proposed vacation of the right-of-way would have no
perceivable effect on the property owners in the block, al-
though those on the west side of the street would gain at least
14 feet of additional property. She emphasized that the matter
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before the Commission has nothing to do with rezoning or the
use of the land, but only whether or not there is a public
purpose to be served by retaining the 14o2 to 15 07 feet of
right-of-way that is deemed to be in excess of the required
60 foot right-of-wayo
Mr. Smith noted that the request was for vacation of the west
37o9 feet of the south 27205 feet of the block, but the staff
is only recommending the vacation of the 14.2 to 15.7 feet for
the length of the entire block. He also noted that the staff
report indicates that a legal opinion be obtained before the
vacation is accomplishedo Mrs. Romans said that the reference
to a legal opinion pertains only to the disposition of the
excess right-of-way if it is vacated, and not to the question
of whether or not the right-of-way should be retainedo
Mrs. Romans explained that the deeds on this right-of-way do
not indicate that the land was acquired specifically for right-
of-way purposes. Therefore, Mr. Waggoner and Mr. Diede posed
the question as to whether the land should be given to the ad-
joining property owners, or whether the City should be reimbursed
by the property owners for the land that would be "vacated".
Mrs. Romans stated that she did not feel that the matter of
reimbursement, and whether or not the right-of-way was acquired
for street purposes or just purchased, is something that should
be addressed by the Commission. The matter before the Com-
mission is whether or not there is a public purpose served by
the excess 14.2 to 15.7 feet of right-of-wayo She stated that
she did not feel that it is up to the Planning staff to recommend
whether or not the City should be reimbursed for this lando
Mr. Wanush agreed with Mrs. Romans that this is not a determina-
tion to be made by the Planning staff.
Mr. Williams asked if it would be proper to request the staff
to get a legal opinion on whether or not the City should be
paid for the right-of-way? Mrso Romans stated that the Com-
mission is addressing the question of whether or not the right -
of-way is needed for public purposes; the method of its dis-
posal, if it is vacated, would be a matter for City Council
determinationo
Mr. Lathrop asked Mr. Kuhl if he wished to address the Com-
mission?
Mr. Curt Kuhl stated that he is a Broker-Associate with Realty
World-Senti, and is acting on behalf of the property owners,
South Marion Street Ventureo Their original request was for
the vacation of the west 37.9 feet of the south 272.5 feet of
the block, in an attempt to gain more land to allow more units
on the siteo He stated that while the 14o2 to 15o7 feet of
right-of-way in excess of the 60 foot right-of-way is probably
not of "value" to the property, it is important in developing
the property because the lots are only 112 feet deep rather
than the usual 125 feet. It would enhance the property for
new development. The reasoning behind the request for the
37.9 foot vacation, was to give more setback and additional
square footage for more units on the site.
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Mr.Lathrop asked if there were any questions of Mr. Kuhl? No
questions were asked of Mr. Kuhl. Mr. Lathrop then asked if
anyone else wished to speak in favor of the vacation? No one
indicated they wished to speak in favor. Mr. Lathrop then
asked if there was anyone who wished to speak in opposition
to the vacation request?
Mr. Tony Monte
3527 South Marion -stated that he is purchasing this properzy
from his mother, and that the vacation of
the excess right-of-way will not mean anything to his property.
He noted that the clients of the medical office building on
South Lafayette Street fill that parking lot, and then people
park along South Marion Street. There is not sufficient parking
for the duplexes that are constructed on the area, and people
park on the vacant lot and on the excess right-of-way. He
stated that he felt the excess right-of-way does serve a purpose,
and he is opposed to the vacation.
Mr. Smith questioned that parking would be allowed on this
right-of-way. Mr. Monte pointed out that it is public property,
and does still serve a public purpos e.
Dr. Guard, one of the partners in South Marion Street Venture,
stated that there are a couple of junk cars and a boat which
have been parked on their lot; he stated that he did not know
who they belong to, but assumed they might be Mr. Monte's. Dr.
Guard stated that the people from the medical building on South
Lafayette do not park on South Marion Street, and that the street
is clear at almost any time. He stated that he and his associates
who own this lot have a hard time trying to keep the property
cleaned of debris --tree limbs, etc., and would like to develop
it and put it to use. He asked that the vacation of the excess
right-of-way be approved.
Mr. Smith asked if this property were to be developed with
residential units, would they not have to provide off-street
parking? Mrs. Romans stated that this is correct; they would
have to provide the required off-street parking.
Mr. Kuhl stated that he believed the ratio for parking for
the type of units they have in mind is 1-1/2:1; he emphasized
that new parking lots would not be created on this site for
more medical facilities. The owners are contemplating a
residential-type development.
Mrs. Doris Preston
3527 South Marion -stated that she is the present owner of
this property. She stated that people from
the medical office building park on South Marion Street, and
have told her that as employees of the medical center, they
have been instructed not to park in the medical center parking
lot. She stated that one of the women used to park right in
front of her place until she asked her to move, and this woman
informed her that the employees were not to park in the medical
complex parking lot.
Mrs. Ida Resley
3540 South Marion -stated that she is home all day, and
are at least five or six people that
on South Marion Street who work at the medical building.
stated that at least two doctor s park on the street, and
four to five others, also.
Discussion ensued.
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Mr. Kuhl reiterated that the proposed development may not solve
the parking problem existing in this block, but it will not
complicate the problem. He pointed out that the units would
be constructed according to code, and would provide the required
off-street parking.
Mrs. Becker stated that she felt the issue before the Commission
is the vacation of the right-of-way, and not the matter of
parking. She stated that in her opinion, the parking problem
should be taken care of elsewhere.
Williams moved:
Bilo seconded: The Planning Commission recommend to City Council
that the following right-of-way be vacated in
the 3500 Block of South Marion Street, as requested in Case #10-79 :
(1) The East 5 feet of Lot 2 and the West 10.7 feet of Lot 1,
and the West 15.·7 feet of the East 30 feet of Lots 27 and 28 and
the East 5 feet of ~ot 25 and the West 9.2 feet of Lot 26 all in
Block 1, Yeager's Subdivision of Block 4, Verona Place. Contains
4269.75 square feet.
(2) The East 5 feet of Lot 2 and the West 9.2 feet of Lot 1 and
the West 15.7 feet of the East 30 feet of Lots 27 & 28 all in
Block 2, Yeager's Subdivision of Block 4, Verona Place. Contains
2543.25 square feet.
(3) Beginning at a point 5 feet West of the Southeast corner Lot
25, Block 1, Yeager's Subdivision of Block 4, Verona Place; thence
South 30 feet to a point 5 feet West of the Northeast corner Lot 2,
Block 2, Yeager's Subdivision of Block 4, Verona Place; thence East
14.2 feet along the NOrth line of Lots 2 and l; thence North 30
feet to the South line of Lot 26, Block 1, Yeager's Subdivision
of Block 4, Verona Place; thence along the South line Lots 26 and
25 14.2 feet to point of beginning. Contains 426.00 square feet.
(4) That portion of a 15 foot alley which is adjacent to the Wes t
15.7 feet of the East 30 feet of Lot 27, Block 2, Yeager's Subd i vi -
sion of Block 4, Verona Place, City of Englewood, Arapahoe County,
Colorado. Contains 235.5 square feet.
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The vacation of this right-of-way is favorably recommended
for the following reasons:
1. The 3500 block of South Marion Street is classified as a
Local Street and no more than sixty feet of right-of-way
is needed for the present and projected use of the land
in that block.
2. The roadway in this block was constructed in Paving District
No. 7 of 1957, utilizing only the eastern sixty feet of the
right-of-way, and there are no plans to redesign or recon-
struct the roadway.
3. By vacating the land in excess of the 60-foot right-of-way
along the west side of the entire block, it will create a
uniform right-of-way width in this block and the width will
be comparable to other Local Streets within the City.
Mr. Smith stated that there is a parking problem in this block,
but it has nothing to do with the request before the Commission.
He also pointed out that opponents to the vacation would have
an opportunity to appear before City Council when this matter
is considered by that body. He emphasized to the members of
the audience that under the Zoning Ordinance and Building Codes,
new developments must provide off-street parking. He stated
that it appeared from discussion this evening that Dr. Guard
is willing to cooperate with the residents of the area, and
suggested that they work together to reach a solution to the
parking situation.
Mr. Bilo stated that he felt the job of the Planning Commission
is to determine whether or not the right-of-way is used for
public purposes; he does not feel that it is, and that there
will be no need for this right-of-way in the future. He stated
he would vote in favor of the motion.
Mr. Lathrop stated that he felt Mr. Smith and Mr. Bilo had
covered the points of consideration by the Commission, and
asked for the vote:
AYES: Bilo, Carson, Lathrop, Smith, Williams, Becker
NAYS: None
ABSENT: Draper, Pierson, ·Tanguma
The motion carried.
IV. SUBDIVISION WAIVER CASE #11-79
4691 South Mariposa Drive
Mrs. Romans recalled that Mr. Oakley had annexed his land to
the City of Englewood in 1978, and indicated the location of
the property on the map. Mrs. Romans stated that Mr. Oakley
is in the process of constructing a single-family house on this
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property, which was zoned R-1-C, Single-family Residenceo There
is sufficient land area for a second building site on the north
end of the parcel, which would have frontage on South Mariposa
Drive, and utilities are available to the site 0 The City Ditch
runs across the front of the property. The staff is of the
opinion that nothing would be gained by requiring the filing
of a Subdivision Plat, and Mr. Oakley has asked a waiver to the
requirement of filing a subdivision plat in order to divide his
property into two building sites.
Mr. Carson stated that there is no reference made to the 6 11
water line running across the rear of the property, which is
used to water properties to the north. Mrs. Romans stated
that there is no evidence of an easement for such a water
line in the survey. Mr. Carson stated that he asked, because
if this is private property, how could the person owning those
water rights have access to turn the water on and off? He
stated that he understood the pipe had been broken during con-
struction on Mr. Oakley's site. Mrs. Romans suggested that
Mr. Oakley is present, and could perhaps answer the questions
posed by Mr. Carson.
Mr. Oakley stated that there is an irrigation pipe that does
run down the back of his property, and that there is no ease-
ment for this water line. It appears that when the reservoir
was built in 1948, the water line ran across this property,
which was under one ownership at that time. The property was
subsequently divided, with no easement for this water line
ever being designated. Mr. Oakley stated that it is not his
intention to cause anyone problems over the water rights, and
in fact has made arrangements to replace that portion of the
pipe that was broken during constructiono He stated that he
was not aware the pipe was on his property until they were
well into the construction, and broke the pipe.
Smith moved:
Williams seconded: The Subdivision Waiver requested by Mr.
Wayne Oakley for the following described
property be approvedo
Beginning at a point 579.14' Southeasterly along the Westerly
line from the Northwest corner of Plot 13; thence continuing
along said Westerly line 275 feet to the Southernmost corner
of Plot 13; thence South 89° 08' East 9.47 feet to the Westerly
R.O.W. of the City Ditch; thence North 5° 16' East along said
R. o. w. 20.29 feet; thence North 16° 52' East along said R.o.w.
150.54'; thence North 12° 14' 30" East along said R.O.W. 55.55
feet; thence North 4° 10' East along said R.O.W. 49031 feet;
thence North 88° 45' West and leaving the Westerly R.O.W. of
the City Ditch 32.18 feet to a point on the Easterly line Plot
13; thence South 89° 47' West and parallel to the North line
Plot 13 99.6 feet more or less to the point of beginning, Bell
Isle Gardens, Arapahoe County, Colorado, containing .458 acres,
more or less.
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The Commission makes this recommendation for the following
reasons:
lo The division of the subject parcel, as proposed, will
result in two single-family building sites of adequate
size and frontage to meet the requirements of the R-1-C
Zone District regulations 0
2. No substantial benefits would be gained by the City or by
the public from requiring a Subdivision Plat to be prepared,
approved and filed for this parcel 0
AYES: Becker, Bilo, Carson, Lathrop, Smith, Tanguma, Williams 0
NAYS: None
ABSENT: Draper, Pierson
The motion carriedo
V. COUNTRY CLUB JOINT VENTURE CASE #21-78
Mr. Wanush stated that this is a progress report on the
Country Club Joint Venture project. He stated that the staff
was informed earlier in the day that Mr. Regan has hired a
project manager for the site, and the architect is getting
into '~orking drawings''. The engineer hired by the Utilities
Department has been doing some work on the extension of the
sewer line from the site to the Plant, but no final report
has been made at this timeo
Mr. Smith asked if the staff had heard of any legal action
regarding this proposal? Mr. Wanush stated that he has heard
nothing further than the letter from Mr. Criswell which
questioned the procedure followed by the Planning Commission.
He noted that there are continuing complaints from residents
of the area regarding the existing development on parking and
the fence along Romans Park.
Mr. Smith inquired if there had been any progress in getting
the fence along Romans Park repaired? Mr. Wanush stated that
there has been, and that he did, in fact, receive a proposed
design for the fencing earlier in the day. The proposal will
contain three gates in the fence: one on the eastern end, one
mid-way in the Park, and one by the Tot Lot. He noted that there
are a few residents north of East Floyd Avenue who are opposed
to the gates. He stated that the residents north of East Floyd
Avenue have been surveyed --19 people in all, 13 of whom had
no objections. He stated that there is no reason the gates
cannot be permitted; they would not be in violation of the
conditions of the Waiver which was approved in 1972.
Mr. Bilo asked if there had ever been discussion about a wall
rather than a fence along the south side of .the Park. Mr. Wanush
stated that he could not recall any discussion of a wall being
installed instead of the fence. Further discussion ensued.
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VI. DIRECTOR'S CHOICE
Mr. Wanush stated that at the time the Hampden Hills Baptist
Church Subdivision Waiver was approved in Februa r y of this
year, one of the conditions imposed at the request of the
Utilities Department was that any development on the new site,
Parcel "B", must connect to Englewood water and sewer. Since
that time, the owner of the new site, who hopes to relocate
the Brown House on to it, has been told that Denver is serving
the house now, and can continue to serve the house at its new
location. The owner has discussed this with the Englewood
Utilities Department, and Mr. Fonda has reconsidered his position
on this matter, and sees no problem allowing Denver to continue
its service to this structure. Mr. Wanush suggested that the
Subdivision Waiver should be amended to delete this condition.
Smith moved:
Bilo seconded: That the Subdivision Waiver granted to the
Hampden Hills Baptist Church in Case #3-79,
approved February 6, 1979, be amended by
deleting Condition #6.
AYES: Williams, Becker, Bilo, Carson, Lathrop, Smith, Tanguma
NAYS: None
ABSENT: Draper, Pierson
The motion carried.
Mr. Wanush stated that at the meeting on May 22nd, there will
be a presentation on the Public Housing application. By that
date, the Housing Authority will have had time to look at
several pieces of property for the elderly units and also for
the family units, and this information will be brought to the
Commission. The matter would be a "support of the Housing
Authority" situation. He stated that there is a possibility
of needing interpretation by the Commission if one particular
site for the high-rise is chosen, to determine whether the
elderly housing units would be a "public use", and therefore,
permitted in a specific zone district. Mr. Wanush stated that
the intent is to have the land optioned and the development
proposal together by June 1st. The Housing Authority hopes to
bid the project in August, and to approve the developer in
October with construction scheduled to begin in the Spring of
1980. Mr. Wanush stated that the elderly units and the family
units will be bid as a single project; although they had
initially discussed bidding them separately. The determination
to bid them together was made after discussing the procedure
with HUD.
Mr. Smith asked if the site approval would go to City Council?
Mr. Wanush stated that it would not. He stated that at least
15 sites have been considered for the elderly units, and this
has been narrowed down to three. Discussion ensued.
Mr. Lathrop stated that he had received several calls regarding
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the new housing units; people have this confused with the
Target Areas, and are concerned that this means the Target
Areas will be cleared and low-income housing develo ped in
these areas . He stated that he had explained to th e se callers
that these are two separate matters . Mr. Lathrop inquired
about the rental policy for the new elderly units --whether
it would be on the .same basis as for the Simon Center? Mr.
Wanush stated that it would be for low-income, but there must
be a distribution of income levels within the l ow-income range.
Mr. Wanush stated that the City Council did approve the Com-
munity Development Block Grant application at their meeting
of May 7, 1979.
The Housing Authority has received a $35,000 grant from the
State of Colorado for use in the Rehabilitation Loan Program.
VII. COMMISSION'S CHOICE.
Mr. Carson stated that he would like to commend Mr. Tanguma
for removing himself from consideration on the right-of-way
vacation case earlier in the evening.
Mr. Williams indicated the calendar in the Council Chambers
and asked what means could be instituted to bring about the
up-dating of this calendar. Discussion ensued.
Becker moved:
Smith seconded: The Calendar in the City Council Chambers
be up-dated, and that a day-by-day calendar
be used.
AYES: Williams, Becker, Bilo, Carson, Lathrop, Smith
NAYS : Tanguma
ABSENT: Draper, Pierson
The motion carried.
Mrs. Becker stated that there has been
a pot luck get-together for Commission
she offered to host such a gathering.
was determined that the second Sunday
would be scheduled for the pot -luck.
some discussion about
members and staff, and
Discussion ensued. It
in June at 2:00 P. M.
Mr. Bilo inquired about the progress on the Comprehensi v e Plan?
Mrs. Romans stated that the staff ho ped to get it completed in
June.
The meeting adjourned at 8:30 P.M.
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Recording Secretary
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MEMORANDUM TO THE ENGLEWOOD CITY COUNCIL REGARDING ACTION
OR RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
DATE: May 8, 1979
SUBJECT: Vacation of Right-of-Way -3500 Block South Marion
RECOMMENDATION:
Williams moved:
Bilo seconded: The Planning Commission recommend to City Council
that the following right-of-way be vacated in
the 3500 block of South Marion Street, as re-
quested in Case #10-79:
(1) The East 5 feet of Lot 2 and the West 10.7 feet of Lot 1,
and the West 15.·7 feet of the East 30 feet of Lots 27 and 28 and
the East 5 feet of Lot 25 and the West 9.2 feet of Lot 26 all in
Block 1, Yeager's Subdivision of Block 4, Verona Place. Contains
4269.75 square feet.
(2) The East 5 feet of Lot 2 and the West 9.2 feet of Lot 1 and
the West 15.7 feet of the East 30 feet of Lots 27 & 28 all in
Block 2, Yeager's Subdivision of Block 4, Verona Place. Contains
2543.25 square feet.
(3) Beginning at a point 5 feet West of the Southeast corner Lot
25, Block 1, Yeager's Subdivision of Block 4, Verona Place; thence
South 30 feet to a point 5 feet West of the Northeast corner Lot 2,
Block 2, Yeager's Subdivision of Block 4, Verona Place; thence East
14.2 feet along the North line of Lots 2 and l; thence North 30
feet to the South line of Lot 26, Block 1, Yeager's Subdivision
of Block 4, Verona Place; thence along the South line Lots 26 and
25 14.2 feet to point of beginning. Contains 426.00 square feet.
(4) That portion of a 15 foot alley which is adjacent to the West
15.7 feet of the East 30 feet of Lot 27, Block 2, Yeager's Subdivi-
sion of Block 4, Verona Place, City of Englewood, Arapahoe County,
Colorado. Contains 235.5 square feet.
The vacation of this right-of-way is favorably recommended
for the following reasons:
1. The 3500 block of South Marion Street is classified as a
local street and no more than sixty feet of right-of-way
is needed for the present and projected use of the land
in that block.
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2. The roadway in this block was constructed in Paving District
Noo 7 of 1957, utilizing only the eastern sixty feet of the
right-of-way, and there are no plans to redesign or recon-
struct the roadway.
3. By vacating the land in excess of the 60-foot right-of-way
along the west side of the entire block, it will create a
uniform right-of-way width in this block and the width will
be comparable to other Local Streets within the City.
AYES: Bilo, Carson, Lathrop, Smith, Williams, Becker
NAYS: None
ABSENT: Draper, Pierson, Tanguma
The motion carried.
By Order of the City Planning
and Zoning Commission .