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Home My WebLink About1962-03-14 EWSB MINUTESENGLEWOOD WATER AND SEWER .BOAiiD -MAftCH JA, 1962 Members Present: Braun. Franta, Oliner .Members Absent: Brownewell, .llcLellan, Purcell, Robobm Other City Officials Present: Utilities Director Babcock, City Attorney Esch, Consultant Shivers --- Although there ns not a quorum present, Chair.man Frantz called for discussion on the matters of business scheduled at 6:l5 Pol!o At the direction of the Chairman, Water and Sewer Board members Brownewell and McLellan were polled by telephone on Thursday, March 15, 1962, tor their vote on the various motions made through-out this session9 with same being shown here belowo All action is to be ratified» b;y the Water and Sewer Board at its next re ar mee · The following correspondence was received: l!ro Harold .Babcock 3720 South Elati Englewood., Colorado 11 LAW OFFICES GROSS AND KAISER 290 Fillmore Street Denver 6, Colorado February 21, 1962 Re: Peerless Builders, Inoo Dear Mro Babcock: I represent Peerless Builders, Ino~1 developer of the apartment complex at 640=740 East Jefferson Avenue in Englewoodo An integral part of the developnent is a BWimming poolct Peerless together with Carmel Park Developnent Co., are planni!lg another apartment canplex near Grand Avenue and Belleview., also in Englewood" This will also include a swimming poolo The Jefferson Avenue project and the proposed construction share a similar problem which adversely ef.f ects not only Peerless, but the city and adjoining properties as well., The origin of the problem is the restriction against the discharge of pool water into the sanitary sewero In neither area is the storm drain adequate or conveniento Accordingly 1 it is virtually inevitable that the ef!luent fran the pool causes a nuisance in the street~ on the property 0£ Peerless or over the property of neighborso The total restriction against utilization of the sanitary sewer is un- reasonable and unwarrantedo Where a storm drain is convenient and adequate, there is no sound objection to utilization of a stom draino However, where a sto:nn drain is inconvenient, inadequate, or both, the paramount importance of preventing a nuisance vastly o££sets the slightly increased burden upon the sanitary sewer !ac1litieso The reason .for prohibiting discharge of pool waste into the sanitary < ... 2 •• sewer is to prevent overburdening the sanitary sewer lines and plant o This reasoning ld.11 not stand the test of critical examinationo In the Englewood area an outdoor swimming pool 1s utilized approxi- mately J-1/2 months during the summer each yearo The daily backwash to clean the pool consumes approximately .30 to 50 gallons.. This insigni= ticant gallonage would not overburden the sanitary sewer o An outdoor pool is emptied only once each yea:r:o If it is pumped only during the hours when the volume of sewerage is minim.um, emptying the pool will thrust no excessive burden whatever on the existing sanitary sewer lines and planto The o1'1ler or a pool could easily pump the pool for a few hours each day for a week or ten days, discharging only during or.f-peak hourso A 25• x S5• pool contains about SOaOOO gallons and a 601 x 70 ' pool contains about 60,000 gallonso Restrictions on dis- charge to of 1'-pea.lc hours and extending the pump:Lng over several d:qs will resolve the problem where the storm drain is inconvenient or inadequateo On behalf or Peerless, I request the city to give serious consideration to this problano Peerless earnestly seeks to avoid creating a surf ace nuisance in the street or elsewherao The answer is to permit controlled discharge into the sanitary sewer limiting the volume of now and the hours for emptyi.ngo In other situations, where storm drains are available, they should be usedo As an aid to anal;rsis, I contacted the cities shown on the attached charto A copy of the letter I sent is annexedo Only threG other cities were contacted., They did not anStrer and are not shown on t.he charto I selected cities which I thought might have considered this problem in the past and other cities in this metropolitan area., The chart is grouped according to states---Arizona, California, Nevada, and Taxaso The other category is the Denver Metropolitan areao All answers received are accurately indicated on the charto The detailed replies, ordinances and regulations are in m_y-file, available to you at an;y time., Very cities categorically deny utilization of the sanitary sewer under any eircumstanceso Those cities which do so emphasize in their replies availability of atom cirainageo Sane also said that pools in their areas are virtually never d.rainedo Please not that ma.D3' cities restrict use of sanitary sewers to of'f·.:<pee.k hours or restrict volume by i·e.terenoe to the diameter of the effluent pipe,, a.s I have suggestedo This problem near the Peerlesa properties is probably more acute than in most localities contactedo Storm drainage is simply not availableo Nevertheless. the Peerless pools must be drained at least, once a year Q With these canpell1ng reasons to permit the sanitary sewer drainage alternative founded on logic and good precedent, I respectfullJr subnit that Englewood should not logically continue 1ts policy of categorically refusing access to the sanitary sewero I would be pleased to meet with interested city officials at any time to discuss this probleno Your pranpt attention to this letter will be greatly appreciated inasmuch as Peerless is finalizing plans with respect to the new oonstructiono Very tml,J yours,, /S/ Leslie A. Gross LA.G:cmc" It cm OF ENGIEWOOD Of!1ce ot Ci-Qr Manager Po Oo Bax 178 Englewood, Colorado llarch 1, 1962 Mro Leslie Ao Gross, Attorney 290 Fillmore Street· Denver 6, Colorado Dear Mro Gross: In repl3 to your letter of February 21, 1962! with regard to the discharge of swimming pool water into the sanitarJ sewer systan at the apartment canplex near West Grand Avenue and West Belleview AvenueJ this is to advise that this matter is being studied and will cane up for discussion and possible action at the next meeting o! the Englewood Water and Sewer Advisory Boardc1 HHB/ij" You will be advised of action takeno Yours truly,. /S/ Harold Ho Babcock Utilities Director and Acting City Manager City Ordinance No o ,311 Series o! 1957, which relates to private swimming pools within the City of Englewoo<l.11 and which prohibits the draining of said private swimming pools into the City•s sanitary sewer system,. was discussedo Mro Esch, City Attorney, pointed out that this provision, in the ordinance, was incluaed to relieve the City of possible liability in caae of overloading of sewer lines by draining of swimming pools therein,, which might cause sewage to back up into basements of neighboring homes or buildings; and, stated that he would not recamnend any change in the ordinanceo .. No action was ta.keno It was brought to the attention of the Board that it has becane necessary, for purposes of legal papers, plans, etco 1 that the City give an official name to the proposed new reservoir at Dad Clark Oul.cho After sane discussion, Oliner moved, Frantz, seconded, That the Water and Sewer Board rec0111D.end to City Council that the proposed new reservoir at Dad Clark Gulch be named ENGLEIVOOD RESERVOIR NOo 1., qesi At meeting; By TelephoneJ N~s: Unavailable: Braun, Frantz, Oliner Brownewell, McLellan None Purcell, Robohm • -4- Further discussion was held, relative to the present charges made by the City of Englewood !or fire hydrant stand.by service, for both inside city l:iJnits and outside city limitso (See Water and Sewer Board Minutes of February 14, 19620) The present City of Englewood charges .f'or fire hydrant utandby service are as follows: INSIJE CITY Private Hydrants - - - -.. -$ 4 oOO Each Per Month Public ~drants --- --•• 2o00 Each Per Month OUTSIDE CITY Private Hydrants - - - - - -$ 5oOO Each Per Month Public Hydrants - - - ---2o50 Ea.ch Per Month A report on intormation relative to 12 other Colorado cities or Water Districts., for comparable charges was presentedo (See copy attached as a part of these minuteso) It was brought out that most of the cities contacted had no charge tor fire eydrant standby service, while others have charges as high or canparable to those of Englewoodo HO'Wever., no other city has contracts with districts as large as either South Eu11:. r:n~lewod Water District or Valley Water District,. Atter sane discussion, Mr .. Babcock was direc·l;ed tO prepare a proposed resolution to change P.Q~ions of the charges for fire service as listed in the City o! Englewood, Colorado, Water Departlllent, Rate Schedules and Miscellaneous Charges tor Water Service, dated July 11 1958, to became effective January 1 1 1963, as follows: PRIVA'l'l!. FI.HE smVICE (INSIDE CITY) (c) Hydrants (Public) First 100 Hydrants Next 100 Hydrants All OVer 200 Hydrants PRIVATE FIRE SERVICE (OUTSIDE CI'l'I) (c) Hydrants (Public) First 100 Hydrants Next 100 Hydaants All Over 200 Hydrants Mont!?:ll Charge $ 2o00 Each l.So Each .,75 Each uont!& cha.re $ 2o50 Each 2o00 Each loOO Each It was asked that the above proposed resolution be made available for recommending action by the Water and Sewer .Board at its next regular meeting to be held in April, 1962 .. Mro Babcock, Utilities Director, reported to the Board that .Mrso Paul Ro Weeks of 4270 South Clq Street, who owns 2?15 eta of water rights in the Brown Ditch, has allegedly threatened to revise the junction box of the Brown Ditch .. Nevada Ditch, at Berry Street1 so that the Ciey of Englewood cannot divert Nevada Ditch water into the Brown Ditch." In discussion, it was brought out that llrao Weeks has no concern in the Brown Ditch ;.,outh of the junction bax by the Belleview Bowling Alley near South i'ederal Blvdo and West Belleview Avenue, provided her full share of water is delivered at that point., Mro Babcock was asked to 1'rite Mrs Weeks• attorney a letter advising that the City of Englewood will guarantee her delivery of 2o75 cfs of water at said junction bax at the Belleview Bowling Alley., when the allotment for the Brown Ditch is available fran. the South Platte Rivero Mro Babcock was advised to arrange for installation of necessary equipnent so that this delivery of water will be assuredo --- Hr., Frantz, Chairman, advised the Board that a letter o£ resignation fran the Water and Sewer Board had been received. fran .tlro Riehard Purcello Uro Purcell had stated th.at due to his wife's health, it had becane necessary that they immediately move ·oo a lower altituEleo Alter discussionj> Oliner moved, Frantz, seconded, That the resignation, by Uro Purcell, be accepted with regret8 and that the Water and Sewer Board recamnend to City Council that an appointment be made pranptly to fill the vacancy on the Board , created by said resignation; and, that it be further recamnended that consideration be given to the appointment of Mro John Co Kreiling, due to his past affiliation with, and future potential value to the Board, provided he is agreeableo Ayes: At meeting; By Telephone} Nays: Braun, Frantz, Oliner l:h'omewell, McLellan None Unavailable: Purcell, Robohm --- The t'ollow.ing letter fran Southgate Sanitation District, under date of March 14 , 1962 $ was received and rea(h SHIVERS, BANTA & MclfARTIN Attorney At Law 3470 South Sherman Sto Englewood, Colorado March 14, 1962 Mro Harold Babcock~ Utilities Director City of .Englewood Englewood, Colorado Re: Southgate Sanitation District Dear Mr o Babcock: Pursuant to the Connector's Agreement between Southgate Sanitation District and the City of l!.nglewood1 it is requested by the Board of Directors that consent be given for the inclusion of the property set forth in the att..ached Notice of Hearing in order that such property m~ be served by the facilities ot Southgate Sanitation District~ Upon approval by the Wa.ter and Sewer Advisor;y Board, a supplemental. connector's agreement w.ill be prepared and available prior to admission ot the matter to the City Council !or its considerationo RLB:abo Enclo Very truly yours, /S/ Richard Lo B~a , Jro Attorney for Southgate Sanitation District cc: South Arapahoe Sanitation District" -6 - The land descriptions in the Notice of Hearing re!erred to 1n the letter just read are a.s follow: Lots 1-4, !nclo 1 Block 7; Lots 1-5, Incl, Block SJ Lots l-3, Inclo 1 Block 9; and, Lots 1-6, Incl,,., Block 101 Greenwood Hills Second Filing, Arapahoe County, Coloradoo Tract 8.5 (Clark Colony No., 3) a subdivision ot Section 17, Township S South, Range 67 West of the 6th Po Mo, Arapahoe County, Colorado., Tract 71, except No 15 feet, and Tract 72 (Clark Colony No .o 3) a subdivision of' Section 17, Township 5 South, Range 67 West of the 6th Po M~, Arapahoe County, Coloradoo Tracts 121 and 122 (Clark Colony Noo 3) a subdivision of Section 17 1 Township S South, Range 67 West o! the 6th Po Mo 1 Arapahoe County $ Coloradoc Arter clarification of location and feasibility of service» by Mro Babcock, Oliner moved, Frantz, seconded, That the Englewood Water and Sewer Board reconmend to City Council that the lands ref erred to in the letter just read, fran Mr~ Richard L., Banta, be allowed to annex to the Southgate Sanitation District, by Supp;emental Agreemento .lcy"es: At meeting; By Telephone; Nqs: Unav-edlable: Braun, Frantz1 Oliner Br01mewell, McLellan None Purcell, Robohm ... -- Discussions on the matters of business of the Englewood Water and Sewer Board were concluded at 9cJO PoMo . IHl'ER....QFFIGE ':Ji~·.m11DUi.t TOi Ho IIo Baboook1 Utilities Director DATEs llaroh 12, 1962 FROl h John D. Curtice, Recording Secretary Englcrlood 'IJate:r and Sewer Board SUBJECT i Fire I:zydrant Rental With reference to the dis01Wsion of the Englewood Water am Sewer Board nt the last regular meting held on Fallrua:r7 Jh, l.962, relative to current City o£ Englewood. charges for public and private f:ire hydrant rental. Per 'yY:Alr request, I have contacted twelva other Colorado Cit:lss or i foter Districts askine £or inf'armation on their s:tm:!Jar charges for fire hydrant rental. I sha-1, here balo:r, the in.formation that I was a.ble to gather: CM Denver, Colar ado (fiat& remaiiiS cc:m.starro) Aurora, Colorado ttfut& remaiiiB constant) Boalder, Colara.do (Rate remaS' constant) Paid by Fire Dept. budget to Uater Departm.n:t; Ft. Coll.ins'* Colcrado * -J.nside Cityr Uontgame:ry TJard &. Co. \'l oodward Governor co. Colo. State University ~Outside Citya TYPE CF S:ERVIDE DIDIDE cm CHARGE Public l~nts $ 1.88 Per Uonth Private Hydrants 4oOO Per mmth Public lzydrants $ 4.oo Per lfonth Private Hydrants Mone Publio Hydrants $22.50 Per Year Private I:cyttrants Mone Public Hydrants Uom Private Hydrants Uom Public ~ants ?lone Private Hydrants * See Below -J. Hydrant G t'5.oo Per Uon:th - 1 ~ @ ~~5.oo Per llonth • 5 ytrdrants o $.30.00 F.ach Par Year O:reat Western Sugar co. -4 Icydratrts o 075.oo Each Per Year (Included in Water ContTaet) Qrand Junction4 Colorado Public Ilydrants lToDB Private Hydrants Nona Co,lcrado Spr::inp1 Colorado Publio nYdranta Uom Private !~ants Mom Littleton, Colcra~o Public Hydrants none Private Hydrants none !!,olden, Colorado Public Hydrants !Ione Private ¥rants None Arvada.a Col.crado Public 'Hydrants Mona Pr.ivate I\ydrants No.oo Westministor~ Colorado Public Hydrants none Private H;ydrants Uone Consolidated Uutual \later Co. J:?erxvei:1 Colcrado Public Hydrants Mone Private Hydrants Uone oursm& cm CIW1.GE C 5.oo Per I.iont.h >.oo Per Honth lJone ?Tone none None Mona Uone none ** See Below nano none None Uom None lTom r~one Hone None Mone None none none Hone Datet Subjects Reo0mtmnda:tions :JEUCEANDUU TO THE EUGIE.TOCID CITY COU?-."OIL REGARDING ACTIO:tl CR RECCY..ruElIDA'.r IOU OF THE EtlG!Erf OOD \JATER AND SE.'1ER BOARD Uarch J.h., 1962 Official. !Jama For Proposed Mew Reservoir In Dad Clark Guleh. That the proposed new reservoir in Dad Clark Gulch be n.arood E1JGIE\'JOOD RESERVOJR tm. l. Respect~ subnitted, Date a Subject: Rec0l!'fl:l6ll.da tion: tm1.KRAlIDUU Ta TIIE ElD:r.&'!OCD cm COOllCIL REGARDTIJG ACTION CR RECQ.·!LFntDA.TION OF 'llIE ENGL@."fOOD 1TATm AUD SEnm BOl\RD Appointmnt of trater and Sevier Doard l~er That an appo~nt be made :tn'omptl;r to fill the vacancy on the Englswood Water and Sewer Board created recent:cy-by the resignation or ur. Richard J. Purcell. It is further recamnanded that consideration be given to the appointment of ur. John c. Kreiling, due to his past affiliation with1 am future poton~:i.al value to the Bo.ird1 provided he is agreeab:b:l. Respect~ submitted, EN'GIEWOOD \VA.Tm AlID SE\1ER BaA.RD By1 Robert F. Framz,JJ!£ ~Ea:±?Diiiii d Date: Subject.: RacolTI!:'.lendation: ;~r aurnnu:; TO 'l'HE Enam·.:oon CITY' COUNCIL REGARDTITG ACTIOW en rm.ccr..:!Ei IDA.TIOU OF THE EimIE.:iQQD WATER AlID SE1:'!ER BOA.~D Annexation of Additional Lani to Tm Southeate Sanitation District Thtlt tho foll~ring described land be allOited to annex to the South- gate Sanitation District, by Supplemental Agreement: Laba 1-41 Incla1 Block 7J Lots 1-51 Incla 1 Block 8; Lots 1-.3 1 Trelo , Block 9; atrl1 Lots 1-<>, Inolo 1 Block 10~ Greemocxl Hills Second Filing, Arapahoe County, Colorado. Tract 85 (Clark Colony Uoo 3) a subdivision of Section 17, Township 5 South, Range 67 Tiest of the 6th P. :1., Arapahoe County, Colar 1do o Tract 71 1 oxoept Ho 15 feet, and Tract 72 (Clark Colony Ho f) 3) a subdivision of Section 17, Tcmnship 5 South, Range 67 West of the 6th P(I T~"" Arapahoe County, Colorado. Tracts 121 arx:l l22 (Clark Colony no • .3) a subdivision of Section 17, T~nship 5 South., Range 67 Wast of tm 6th P. :r., Arapahoe County, Colorado. Respectful.ly submitted, ElJGLE'.'!OOD rIATER A.tlD SEi:.'ER BOARD Dy: Robert F. Frantz Cha:irl!lan